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Some FOs join as cadets and do 4 years in Ryanair and when the command comes around they don't make it
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Cadet and 4 years later a Commander flying with a cadet.
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I understand you can apply after 6 months and all boxes ticked
The good news is that providing you meet the criteria you will get a hearing unlike those airlines where you wait 15 years plus just because of your joining date or inside leg measurement or whatever those who slam the door and pull up the ladder have decided this week.
10 years in, 4 redundancies, 3 years in ME, 7000 hours and I have had to go back to two stripes to get into our national.
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So right JS. It is totally bonkers that seniority is only achievable within a company and is not transferable. No other industry still runs such an outdated system. This is why we have trashy terms and why we have children in the left hand seat.
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At one end of the scale you have seniority, at the other you have nepotism. Somewhere in the middle you have a meritocracy.
If for example you have 10 go for say 5 upgrade positions and all 10 day make the grade, then seniority is as good as way to order ascension as any.
Rotten industry? Maybe, or maybe just a byproduct of a rotten society.....
If for example you have 10 go for say 5 upgrade positions and all 10 day make the grade, then seniority is as good as way to order ascension as any.
Rotten industry? Maybe, or maybe just a byproduct of a rotten society.....
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Yes, Kirk. All of that.
Trouble with a meritocracy is that one is at the mercy of someone's idea of how much merit one has. In other words "Your face has to fit".
Seniority works when it works. It can be ridiculous. It worked for me just because the company I worked for was expanding so fast the line was going down faster than they could fill the gap. You still had to tick the boxes.
Much as I hate to admit it (don't know why I hate to admit it, I'm obviously as irrational as some training departments..!) but FR seem as close as anyone to getting it right.
Trouble with a meritocracy is that one is at the mercy of someone's idea of how much merit one has. In other words "Your face has to fit".
Seniority works when it works. It can be ridiculous. It worked for me just because the company I worked for was expanding so fast the line was going down faster than they could fill the gap. You still had to tick the boxes.
Much as I hate to admit it (don't know why I hate to admit it, I'm obviously as irrational as some training departments..!) but FR seem as close as anyone to getting it right.
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If you're selected or get through it's just, if you don't it's nepotism.
Is it really that difficult to see what constitutes a face that fits in? It's almost an in-house aptitude test and the faces that normally fit in are, by and large intelligent and normal. The real exceptions almost invariably define the meaning of nepotism. And the accusers of nepotism invariably define the meaning of misfits, not face not fits.....
Regarding the excellence of the RYR method;
The Pikeys training department and robust SOP's, coupled with very young aircraft are a proven product. I've flown with ex-LTC RYR on old aircraft and they were next to useless when it came to real world problems. Only quoted to say that there really is no perfect model, or employer.....and compared to other industries, which I've been in, pissing about in aircraft is still a million miles away from the drudgery that most working people suffer through every day of their working lives.
Is it really that difficult to see what constitutes a face that fits in? It's almost an in-house aptitude test and the faces that normally fit in are, by and large intelligent and normal. The real exceptions almost invariably define the meaning of nepotism. And the accusers of nepotism invariably define the meaning of misfits, not face not fits.....
Regarding the excellence of the RYR method;
The Pikeys training department and robust SOP's, coupled with very young aircraft are a proven product. I've flown with ex-LTC RYR on old aircraft and they were next to useless when it came to real world problems. Only quoted to say that there really is no perfect model, or employer.....and compared to other industries, which I've been in, pissing about in aircraft is still a million miles away from the drudgery that most working people suffer through every day of their working lives.
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That is an interesting view point. I know
an ex RYR LTC (KLM UK before RYR) that was at Atlantic. A very competent individual and well able to deal with "first world problems". Are we talking about the same person?
You lack credibility.
an ex RYR LTC (KLM UK before RYR) that was at Atlantic. A very competent individual and well able to deal with "first world problems". Are we talking about the same person?
You lack credibility.
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Remember that everyone can have an off day.
Sometimes I go in and feel and operate what I perceive to be sharp as
and on the ball like a real pro.
Some days I make many stupid errors and feel like a plank in the left seat. Ultimately though as long as it's a safe aircraft and gets A-B I don't really care if I forget to call MSA or do an RVSM altimeter check. As long as the situational awareness is there it's ok.
People can weigh to heavily on the polish sometimes and forget it's the overall operation that matters.
Sometimes I go in and feel and operate what I perceive to be sharp as
and on the ball like a real pro.Some days I make many stupid errors and feel like a plank in the left seat. Ultimately though as long as it's a safe aircraft and gets A-B I don't really care if I forget to call MSA or do an RVSM altimeter check. As long as the situational awareness is there it's ok.
People can weigh to heavily on the polish sometimes and forget it's the overall operation that matters.
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Dare we get this back to Jet2 recruitment details rather than its current bogged down state of FR vs Jet2 and Command upgrade procedures.
Jet2 will recruit getting on for 200 pilots for 2017, some have already started, I would imagine plenty of spaces are left to fill. Due to expansion the vacancies cover all pilot positions, from ab-initio right through to DEC Training Captains. ALL those that are eligible for internal upgrades are being offered the opportunity to prove themselves, from SFO to Captain, Captain to LTC, LTC to TRI and TRI to TRE.
Jet2 will recruit getting on for 200 pilots for 2017, some have already started, I would imagine plenty of spaces are left to fill. Due to expansion the vacancies cover all pilot positions, from ab-initio right through to DEC Training Captains. ALL those that are eligible for internal upgrades are being offered the opportunity to prove themselves, from SFO to Captain, Captain to LTC, LTC to TRI and TRI to TRE.
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Says the TRE!
All of those positions are available to those that qualify.
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I think that's an option too these days Cullin, hadn't thought of that. There's also Ground instructor positions to those interested.