Thomson recruitment.

[youthinkso]

If the average sector length at Thomson is 3.5 hours then you are clearly not working 5 days per week. X on, Y off statements don't paint an accurate picture in the charter business as deep night as well as early morning arrivals give you the same if not significantly more time off than LCC pilots. We spend more time in the cruise getting fatigued but LCC pilots get fatigued by 4 very quick turnarounds in a day. Its a very tiring job. Full stop.

I'm only telling you what the former 5 on 4 off no deep night pilots who join Thomson are telling Thomson Pilots, there is no willy waving here, just information for consideration, roster construction has a very significant impact on fatigue and quality of life/lifestyle.....


Are night shifts killing me? - BBC News

do 5/6/7 on with sometimes day off or blank in the middle and one or two off at the end on those average secor lengths and you are looking at 100hours FT..in 28 combined with the 10 days off, that's why the overtime system is not working as designed because there is no fat to give someone a duty without taking them off another.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

You think so

I'm only telling you what the former 5 on 4 off no deep night pilots who join Thomson are telling Thomson Pilots, there is no willy waving here, just information for consideration, roster construction has a very significant impact on fatigue and quality of life/lifestyle.

The guys working 5 on 4 off by chance do you know what FTL they are working to? CAP371 or EU Sub Part Q

Can't wait for new EASA FTL's to make all the above worse

So which scheme provides better roster construction then? CAP371 or EASA FTL (e.g. no limits on earlies, lates and nights which is what Sub Part Q offers.

Let's wait and see perhaps?

[youthinkso]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley

You think so



The guys working 5 on 4 off by chance do you know what FTL they are working to? CAP371 or EU Sub Part Q



So which scheme provides better roster construction then? CAP371 or EASA FTL (e.g. no limits on earlies, lates and nights which is what Sub Part Q offers.

Let's wait and see perhaps?

yeah it's no secret that MOL was opposed to EASA FTL's (strangely aligned with BALPA) vs UK commercial airlines who were in favour. Simply because for non UK FTL schemes the new schemes introduces restrictions, hence MoL opposition. UK airlines in favour because it relaxes several CAP371 components. Lets face it EASA FTL ain't going to do anything positive for those of us operating to G Reg FTL's hence BALPAs failed attempt to try and stop it coming in, I won't hold my breathe for it improving lifestyle that's for sure !! in terms of 5&4 I'm talking about the grouped days off and being able to plan your life with some degree of certainty beyond 30 days notice.....

[Flying Wild]

Originally Posted by youthinkso

Asking anyone who has come to the airline on a previous pattern of 5 on 4 off will tell you the flying is much more fatiguing due to the rostering and doing deep nights and because we don't get days off in blocks your off time is of little value apart from trying to recover (in the summer). As nice as it would be to have days off in blocks our rostering department have decided to penalise the system for doing this so you get occasional single days off and sometimes a pair together, rarely more, unless using leave or guaranteed days off that have to be booked a year to six months in advance.

Shouldn't that be when you start reporting fatigued? When enough people start raising the issue, things will have to change, no? A lot of companies rely on the goodwill of the workforce to 'get the job done', but at what cost?

[Twiglet1]

Historically UK charter airlines have never offered fixed patterns of days off due to the seasonal nature of the programme and it's variability e.g Tunisia comes along. Mature airlines like Thomson offers roster protections such as block window whereas "newer" airlines such as Jet 2 it's a bun fight. If anyone could offer a fixed roster it would be Thomson

[teobull]

Roster

Just to get an idea....
Could anyone flying at Thomson PM me one of his summer month roster?
I would very appreciate it.
Thanks

[VJW]

PFO just received. Not disappointed, but thought I'd let people know.

[teobull]

Originally Posted by VJW

PFO just received. Not disappointed, but thought I'd let people know.

Would you please state your "profile"?
Thanks

[VJW]

My profile? As in my experience?

[Globally Challenged]

I can't imagine they want to know your Age / Sex / Location ;-)

[VJW]

Well knowing my 'profile' is useless too I'd imagine. You either write a good application or you don't and I'd assume having more or less hours makes little difference at this stage, providing you have the minimum required.

5500 TT, most of which is 737, and 2000 as PIC.

[teobull]

Originally Posted by VJW

Well knowing my 'profile' is useless too I'd imagine. You either write a good application or you don't and I'd assume having more or less hours makes little difference at this stage, providing you have the minimum required.

5500 TT, most of which is 737, and 2000 as PIC.

Thanks. That' s what I was looking for.
Teobull

[jhall_45]

Invited to assessment, 2000 hours B738, Anyone know anything about the assessment process?

Thanks.

[Harry palmer]

Any non rated guys hearing either way? Or will they go through rated applicants first and then Non rated if inadequate numbers are reached?

All the best

[ford cortina]

VJW, same Pfo as well.
Very experienced SFO, lots of hours.
Oh well they may want monkeys.....

[Speedoneeighty]

I'm pretty sure applicants aren't prioristised in order of their experience. To be honest if you have PIC or high hours on the 737 then there is probably a good question to be asked as to why a part time position with Thomson is of interest to you.

[JaxofMarlow]

And yet you are applying to Norwegian ! Or were you being sarcastic in the post to that thread ?

[Speedoneeighty]

Well I am a low timer <1500hrs. I spoke to a Norwegian pilot who has been given a 50% winter contract and they were very positive about the job there

Is Thomson a better option than Norwegian?

[JaxofMarlow]

I don't work for either but I would say your question is similar to asking 'steak or rubber, which tastes best?' Take a bit of time to read all the posts to the several Norwegian threads. Good luck.

[VJW]

Speedoneeighty you are absolutely right. It would have been nice to have been 'asked'....rather then have them assume why.

Would be interesting to have completed an absolutely identical application, with the only difference being I write I have 2000 hours as P2. Wonder if they'd invite that applicant.