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I'd say not enough is known to start getting all het up. I'd think (guessing here!) that an airline making a show of soaking up pilots from a high profile collapse is good for business. It brings the company into the press and looks good to people. Thomson, VS. They've had their names attached to some high profile media because of it. Of course it makes sense to recruit the very Mon experienced guys immediately if your training availability allows, as they're already valued in the industry and come with years of flying.
But, we don't know the truth and I'd say the truth actually lies someone between. I say again I bet a dollar that behind the scenes, the "slots" available to Mon guys will actually be quite small. Vs will prob advertise quietly again for rated as like I say, if they've got to wait months for training availability it would be easier and cheaper to take on an equally experienced, but rated 78 person. It doesn't matter how experienced an A320 guy is. I think the misunderstanding lies because lots has been made of "recruiting mon guys" but bare in mind I think, a lot of that is opportunism not to miss out on the immediate availability that fits the slots anyone wants to fill straight away mixed with media show. Airlines still will desire the cheapest and most efficient option balanced with timing for their operation.
Instead of worrying about if things are fair, it's just times like these as pilots we need to show solidarity for all our greater goods long term and that includes supporting fellow tradesmen in their plight. I'm alright Jack mentality has already tooled this industry.
But, we don't know the truth and I'd say the truth actually lies someone between. I say again I bet a dollar that behind the scenes, the "slots" available to Mon guys will actually be quite small. Vs will prob advertise quietly again for rated as like I say, if they've got to wait months for training availability it would be easier and cheaper to take on an equally experienced, but rated 78 person. It doesn't matter how experienced an A320 guy is. I think the misunderstanding lies because lots has been made of "recruiting mon guys" but bare in mind I think, a lot of that is opportunism not to miss out on the immediate availability that fits the slots anyone wants to fill straight away mixed with media show. Airlines still will desire the cheapest and most efficient option balanced with timing for their operation.
Instead of worrying about if things are fair, it's just times like these as pilots we need to show solidarity for all our greater goods long term and that includes supporting fellow tradesmen in their plight. I'm alright Jack mentality has already tooled this industry.
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What you have to realise is that the people/organisations which own airlines be it DHL, FedEx, TCX, BA, TUI, Jet2 et al are companies with shareholders just the same as any other public/private company. The board of directors prime objective is to build shareholder value. Profit for the company so that dividend can be paid and a return on shareholder investment. If that means taking TR pilots over and above cadets, and low hour candidates to shorten the recruitment process and save money then that is exactly what they will do. It's been said many times that airlines want experienced pilots, FO's SFO's and more desirably captains. Not recruits they have to spend money on training. Sad fact of life but there it is!
Rumour control is that 380 out of the 420 pilots have jobs. The Luton office staff all seem to be re-employed. I know a lot of southern based cabin crew have gone to Virgin, Sail, and Easyjet. I have not heard about re-employment at other bases
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A couple of guys I know have secured FO jobs with Emirates and a couple of cabin crew girls working as sales agents for large housing development company
That figure of 420 will include those who are without a current medical - long term sick, so they won't be looking for a job and nor will those close to retirement age. So it sounds like pretty much all who wanted a job, have got one?
