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Callsign Kilo,
Given the nationality of the individual, I am guessing his friend was perhaps planning on paying his taxes at home, rather than Ireland, home being one of the more expensive European countries tax-wise .
Given the nationality of the individual, I am guessing his friend was perhaps planning on paying his taxes at home, rather than Ireland, home being one of the more expensive European countries tax-wise .
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The "nice roster" is only that, if you're at the base of your choice, ALL the time. For the many that aren't, 5/4 quickly turns into 6/3 or even 7/2 in some cases. FATIGUE CENTRAL my friends! FR do not roster any flight duty time for passive flights for Pilots (contractors) moving between their many bases.
I remember some poor fellow commuting to Kaunas (5/3 roster) from Sweden, via Stansted and Palma de Majorca!!
Just my humble opinion, and personal experience too.
I remember some poor fellow commuting to Kaunas (5/3 roster) from Sweden, via Stansted and Palma de Majorca!!
Just my humble opinion, and personal experience too.
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Hello guys,
My opinion, being in that profile of high experience pilot which Ryanair is looking for is this:
- Tempting with flying a modern 737 and possibly upgrading (just words);
- Type of contract is something that you don't have a choice. If you are a freelance in other airline your are able to pay taxes in your own country. And this ruling out any possible contract directly with Ryanair.
- All my coleagues in Ryanair told me that you are not able to know your base when you receive a call you after passing all the assesment. And even though when they tell you which base are you going to is not one of the three you requested during your interview.
- You have to pay for absolutelly everything. To pay for the type rating is something which sounds normal for young guys nowadays (it should not be), but paying for the uniforms, meal and even water is totally crazy.
- I also want to mention the training. During line training at your own expenses you have to move from one base to another.
I don't know how many candidates they will get but in my opinion they must change many things to became a real option for me and some of my friends flying around who might be interested in such an offer.
Good luck for them. If they are really "desperate" as some else said here is only Ryanair policy's fault.
My opinion, being in that profile of high experience pilot which Ryanair is looking for is this:
- Tempting with flying a modern 737 and possibly upgrading (just words);
- Type of contract is something that you don't have a choice. If you are a freelance in other airline your are able to pay taxes in your own country. And this ruling out any possible contract directly with Ryanair.
- All my coleagues in Ryanair told me that you are not able to know your base when you receive a call you after passing all the assesment. And even though when they tell you which base are you going to is not one of the three you requested during your interview.
- You have to pay for absolutelly everything. To pay for the type rating is something which sounds normal for young guys nowadays (it should not be), but paying for the uniforms, meal and even water is totally crazy.
- I also want to mention the training. During line training at your own expenses you have to move from one base to another.
I don't know how many candidates they will get but in my opinion they must change many things to became a real option for me and some of my friends flying around who might be interested in such an offer.
Good luck for them. If they are really "desperate" as some else said here is only Ryanair policy's fault.
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Pay for water??
What a load of. Who makes this stuff up.
16 years in FR never paid for water yet! Water dispensers in crew room for your info.
5 on 4 off. Cant beat it.
Reasonable money.
What a load of
. Who makes this stuff up. 16 years in FR never paid for water yet! Water dispensers in crew room for your info.
5 on 4 off. Cant beat it.
Reasonable money.
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"Water dispensers in the crew room" "5 on 4 off, can't beat it"???
Don't make me laugh....
I work 14 on 14 off. During the 14 on I will fly 8 x 2 sector days
Before each flight I have complimentary 3 course buffet lunch, breakfast or dinner.
On board, choice of drinks plus good quality crew food.
Very little expense during the 14 on plus all accommodation paid.
A net salary of 9000 GBP I.e. after tax paid and NI.
For sure, you can beat the deal I have.
If you have worked for Ryanair 16 years then you probably have the base you want and have a salary agreed in the "good old days".... Therefore you have a deal that works for you...... Telling guys that may join now that you can't beat it is either tongue In cheek or misinformation.
Don't make me laugh....
I work 14 on 14 off. During the 14 on I will fly 8 x 2 sector days
Before each flight I have complimentary 3 course buffet lunch, breakfast or dinner.
On board, choice of drinks plus good quality crew food.
Very little expense during the 14 on plus all accommodation paid.
A net salary of 9000 GBP I.e. after tax paid and NI.
For sure, you can beat the deal I have.
If you have worked for Ryanair 16 years then you probably have the base you want and have a salary agreed in the "good old days".... Therefore you have a deal that works for you...... Telling guys that may join now that you can't beat it is either tongue In cheek or misinformation.
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And the moral of the story here is one man's paradise is another man's nightmare. Whether it be Ryanair, BA or an operator in China.
Money isn't everything and neither are buffet meals. Equally, if you don't think you can stomach a remote Mediterranean, Eastern or African outpost on a Storm contract flying up to six sectors a day with some of the most rigorous SOPs in the industry; then don't apply to FR. Stay on the turboprop or barbie jet. An aeroplane is an aeroplane at the end of the day.
But if you do fancy the idea and probably see a quickish command at the end of the horizon then come along. Your experience would be a welcome addition.
Money isn't everything and neither are buffet meals. Equally, if you don't think you can stomach a remote Mediterranean, Eastern or African outpost on a Storm contract flying up to six sectors a day with some of the most rigorous SOPs in the industry; then don't apply to FR. Stay on the turboprop or barbie jet. An aeroplane is an aeroplane at the end of the day.
But if you do fancy the idea and probably see a quickish command at the end of the horizon then come along. Your experience would be a welcome addition.
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The water dispenser in the Stansted crew room is a hive of germs and bacteria. It is not fresh mineral water, it is plumbed into the cold water pipe and merely chilled. You only have to take at the lipstick ladened plastic white tap, to know that hundreds of cabin crew and pilots place their used own plastic bottles up to this tap to refill. I used it once and got sick, and thereafter always bought two bottles of mineral water at a cost of £1.60 per day, from the vending machine conveniently placed just outside the crewroom, probably owned by O'Leary!
With passengers and crew, Ryanair will always do the least amount possible, when they are legally obliged to provide food and drink.
They are greedy, inhumane scumbags
Just my humble opinion of course!
With passengers and crew, Ryanair will always do the least amount possible, when they are legally obliged to provide food and drink.
They are greedy, inhumane scumbags
Just my humble opinion of course!
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All of the above being said, there are PLENTY of people who have been flying for Eastern, Aer Arrann etc for far too long whilst the 200h zero-to-hero folks go straight to the RHS of one of MOL's or Stelios's jets. Therefore, there will be no shortage of applicants.
So, despite many years of experience in the industry, these experienced pilots will happily accept lower T&Cs just to progress in their careers.
I first highlighted this to BALPA in 2007, asking the question about what they intend to do with the relentless march of CTC putting inexperienced people into the RHS. They did not see it as relevant. But then again, why would they? They are only there to protect those people who are already in the industry, and not to protect the T&Cs within the industry in the years to come.
I'm not normally someone who says, "told you so", but on this occasion... I believe I have mentioned this before.
So, despite many years of experience in the industry, these experienced pilots will happily accept lower T&Cs just to progress in their careers.
I first highlighted this to BALPA in 2007, asking the question about what they intend to do with the relentless march of CTC putting inexperienced people into the RHS. They did not see it as relevant. But then again, why would they? They are only there to protect those people who are already in the industry, and not to protect the T&Cs within the industry in the years to come.
I'm not normally someone who says, "told you so", but on this occasion... I believe I have mentioned this before.
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Ryanair just needs to be seen for what it has set itself up as, a flight school. You get in, Get your 500 hours command and you get yourself onto the seniority list of an Airline.
Competition for available Captains is becoming truly global and that is what Ryanair clearly don't recognize. Over the next 5 years it will become even more global.
My current airline wants 500 Captains over the next 3 to 5 years, half or more of these will come from Europe and we are just one small cog in the big picture of Chinese aviation. We will give almost any contract that will attract Pilots away from Ryanair or other European LCC's.Ryanair would be a target because of the abundance of young Captains that won't fail the Chinese medical.
Competition for available Captains is becoming truly global and that is what Ryanair clearly don't recognize. Over the next 5 years it will become even more global.
My current airline wants 500 Captains over the next 3 to 5 years, half or more of these will come from Europe and we are just one small cog in the big picture of Chinese aviation. We will give almost any contract that will attract Pilots away from Ryanair or other European LCC's.Ryanair would be a target because of the abundance of young Captains that won't fail the Chinese medical.
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Most people do not want to work in the Sandpit, let alone China!
£9,000 net per month and a 3 course meal each day in China? For a 737 skipper? That's not the figures I've been seeing on job adverts, but even if that is the going rate, there's a reason they pay those sums. And it's not because 'you're worth it'. It's compensation for all the downsides!
So what's reasonable remuneration back in Europe for flying a medium jet for a low-cost operator where the average ticket costs €50?
£9,000 net per month and a 3 course meal each day in China? For a 737 skipper? That's not the figures I've been seeing on job adverts, but even if that is the going rate, there's a reason they pay those sums. And it's not because 'you're worth it'. It's compensation for all the downsides!
So what's reasonable remuneration back in Europe for flying a medium jet for a low-cost operator where the average ticket costs €50?
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What remuneration do you see in adverts for jobs in China? I think my remuneration is at the bottom end but I try to maximize my time at home, my contract is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off with a space available business seat home for the 2 weeks off. So far I have had business each time.
Salaries in Europe should be negotiated by collective bargaining and should reflect experience and be sufficient to retain quality experienced Captains. You asked what I thought, that is my view.
I have of course worked in both China and Europe and currently China is clearly the better place to work, with the proviso that you have only very minor medical issues.
If I was longhaul, based in London, I would probably be at home less than short haul on a good commuting contract in China.
Salaries in Europe should be negotiated by collective bargaining and should reflect experience and be sufficient to retain quality experienced Captains. You asked what I thought, that is my view.
I have of course worked in both China and Europe and currently China is clearly the better place to work, with the proviso that you have only very minor medical issues.
If I was longhaul, based in London, I would probably be at home less than short haul on a good commuting contract in China.
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Any idea of the t's&c's surrounding this contract? Perhaps something that might not only attract experience but retain it?
Has ra missed the trick the orange outfit didn't? Dare I say this, become a "career airline" with reasonable terms once you progress.
Just my thoughts.
Has ra missed the trick the orange outfit didn't? Dare I say this, become a "career airline" with reasonable terms once you progress.
Just my thoughts.
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And hell "might" freeze over . . . . . .
In a previous era Ryanair did what was required to keep people sweet (and no more )
When I joined in 2002 I remember being told by DD "we rule by greed & fear". . . . . . "if we want something we will pay you enough to get it" . . . " if not, well. . "
Regretably with the passage of time they forgot the 1st part of the deal.
I have doubts the new "touchy feely" customer care will be extended to the staff, but, stranger things happen in life I guess.
In a previous era Ryanair did what was required to keep people sweet (and no more )
When I joined in 2002 I remember being told by DD "we rule by greed & fear". . . . . . "if we want something we will pay you enough to get it" . . . " if not, well. . "
Regretably with the passage of time they forgot the 1st part of the deal.
I have doubts the new "touchy feely" customer care will be extended to the staff, but, stranger things happen in life I guess.
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