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With reference to the specific question of being LHR based and being called out for an LGW trip of home standby, It's worth emphasising the point Juan made - there is no time limit, you are simply required to use your "best endeavours" to report at LGW at the earliest opportunity. It's definitely a rule worth being aware of the first time you do reserve since it's just possible somebody might ring you up and try to persuade you otherwise....
Good luck on the course.
With reference to the specific question of being LHR based and being called out for an LGW trip of home standby, It's worth emphasising the point Juan made - there is no time limit, you are simply required to use your "best endeavours" to report at LGW at the earliest opportunity. It's definitely a rule worth being aware of the first time you do reserve since it's just possible somebody might ring you up and try to persuade you otherwise....
Good luck on the course.
Sorry if this has been asked before but it relates specifically to the DEP long haul recruitment campaign recently.
To anyone who has applied, how long before you got either an invite/no thanks from them after submitting an application? It closed a few weeks ago, it's understandably a pretty busy time of year (or perhaps, more likely not so busy) but my application still says 'submitted' and nothing else. I'm going on holiday at the end of Jan and don't want to get caught out should I be so lucky.
To anyone who has applied, how long before you got either an invite/no thanks from them after submitting an application? It closed a few weeks ago, it's understandably a pretty busy time of year (or perhaps, more likely not so busy) but my application still says 'submitted' and nothing else. I'm going on holiday at the end of Jan and don't want to get caught out should I be so lucky.
Can anyone (PM if necessary) give me an idea what blind lines might look like on the 747 for someone at the bottom of the seniority list? How many trips per month and so on?
If anyone can see the rosters with the new EASA FTLs applied, so much the better.
If anyone can see the rosters with the new EASA FTLs applied, so much the better.
The 747 is a slightly special case as there are "seeded" blind lines. Ie one long trip (the seed) and the rest are constructed by the company. At worst you'll do 5 trips but BA are pretty bad at constructing lines so probably less. My easiest month was 1 trip and then I did an overtime trip and I had a week's leave.
No one can show you an EASA roster as phase 1 bidding for Feb only closed this morning and Feb is the first month we'll be fully (haw haw) compliant with EASA. Most people on other fora are less than confident the show will stay on the road but that's another matter.
No one can show you an EASA roster as phase 1 bidding for Feb only closed this morning and Feb is the first month we'll be fully (haw haw) compliant with EASA. Most people on other fora are less than confident the show will stay on the road but that's another matter.
It would probably be good to take even more care than normal before deciding whether to exercise discretion in future
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Its well known that Easa FTL is more advantageous for morning departures but not so much for afternoon. The issue of previous'safer regime,' can only be perceived at this time - the new fdp's have been around for many years in Europe under the guise of sub part Q - flown by many more airlines than left in the UK. This offers UK airlines a level playing field.
My questions to you;
What was the name of the last decent sized UK AOC to start up?
If a BA crew member can fly in from home say AMS, hang around for4 hours then go fly for 3 sectors or a 2 crew flight stateside - if your that concerned over the longer FDP in the morning are you willing to comment on the commuting question ?
Its well known that Easa FTL is more advantageous for morning departures but not so much for afternoon. The issue of previous'safer regime,' can only be perceived at this time - the new fdp's have been around for many years in Europe under the guise of sub part Q - flown by many more airlines than left in the UK. This offers UK airlines a level playing field.
My questions to you;
What was the name of the last decent sized UK AOC to start up?
If a BA crew member can fly in from home say AMS, hang around for4 hours then go fly for 3 sectors or a 2 crew flight stateside - if your that concerned over the longer FDP in the morning are you willing to comment on the commuting question ?
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fly4more, stage 1 is aptitude tests before stage 2 interviews, although you could say submitting the application itself is stage 1!
For aptitude tests I highly recommend "assessmentday" and "skytest" websites. Apparently the latter has had the latest BA test added to it.
For aptitude tests I highly recommend "assessmentday" and "skytest" websites. Apparently the latter has had the latest BA test added to it.
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Hi guys 
. I am looking to apply for the BA FPP when it reopens later this year. I got to the final stages of the process last year, only to fail as a result of the two written tests and the BA aptitude test. I know this is the DEP thread, but since the final phase of the FPP process is similar to the DEP route, would you be able to point me in the right direction for optimal preparation?
. I am looking to apply for the BA FPP when it reopens later this year. I got to the final stages of the process last year, only to fail as a result of the two written tests and the BA aptitude test. I know this is the DEP thread, but since the final phase of the FPP process is similar to the DEP route, would you be able to point me in the right direction for optimal preparation?
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Rex Banner . "You can only wonder what Easyjet are going to try and get away with"
For the moment , Easyjet are rostering to CAP371 . Largely as a result of united action by the pilot community. An indicative ballot of the pilots indicated overwhelming support for industrial action over the safety implications of EASA FTL.
The matter is now at ACAS , the Easyjet pilot community has more experience of FRMS and the light touch of self regulation than most , we are concerned .
(Sorry about the thread creep)
For the moment , Easyjet are rostering to CAP371 . Largely as a result of united action by the pilot community. An indicative ballot of the pilots indicated overwhelming support for industrial action over the safety implications of EASA FTL.
The matter is now at ACAS , the Easyjet pilot community has more experience of FRMS and the light touch of self regulation than most , we are concerned .
(Sorry about the thread creep)
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Nil further yes I'm aware of what's going on at easyJet and fully support the pilots in their fight against the implementation of EASA regs. In fact it would have a positive impact to the rest of the industry if the union is successful. I'm sceptical however as to the odds of long term success.
I've worked EASA regs at another low cost operator and can certainly vouch for how utterly senseless and dangerous they are. At said operator (I'm not afraid to say Wizz Air) we could check in at 05:30 local for a 4 sector day with a total duty time of 12:15h. Not only that but you could be doing this after another four sector early (11hr+) the day before! Needless to say, the flights being carried out WITHOUT controlled rest were the exception rather than the rule.
One particular week of five earlies on the spin (including at least one of such duties) I remember as PM feeling my head nodding in the cruise then managing to rouse myself sufficiently to look across at the PF whose head was doing exactly the same thing! How we haven't been able as a pilot community to collectively fight this in an effective way is an utter disgrace.
My point is though that the genie has been let out of the bottle now and there is enormous commercial pressure for easyJet to follow suit. If such previously fatiguing duties are now defined as legal then easyJet will try to roster them, make no mistake.
It's going to take a smoking hole in the ground to sort this out ultimately (and unfortunately) but even then managing to pin the blame squarely on the role of fatigue in any accident is going to prove very problematic and difficult. Look at the Colgan Air Q400 crash in Buffalo, screamed fatigue all day long. What do the FAA do? Implement a 1500hr experience rule for FO's! Irrelevant but it provided the window dressing that something had been changed.
Sorry again for the thread drift guys.
I've worked EASA regs at another low cost operator and can certainly vouch for how utterly senseless and dangerous they are. At said operator (I'm not afraid to say Wizz Air) we could check in at 05:30 local for a 4 sector day with a total duty time of 12:15h. Not only that but you could be doing this after another four sector early (11hr+) the day before! Needless to say, the flights being carried out WITHOUT controlled rest were the exception rather than the rule.
One particular week of five earlies on the spin (including at least one of such duties) I remember as PM feeling my head nodding in the cruise then managing to rouse myself sufficiently to look across at the PF whose head was doing exactly the same thing! How we haven't been able as a pilot community to collectively fight this in an effective way is an utter disgrace.
My point is though that the genie has been let out of the bottle now and there is enormous commercial pressure for easyJet to follow suit. If such previously fatiguing duties are now defined as legal then easyJet will try to roster them, make no mistake.
It's going to take a smoking hole in the ground to sort this out ultimately (and unfortunately) but even then managing to pin the blame squarely on the role of fatigue in any accident is going to prove very problematic and difficult. Look at the Colgan Air Q400 crash in Buffalo, screamed fatigue all day long. What do the FAA do? Implement a 1500hr experience rule for FO's! Irrelevant but it provided the window dressing that something had been changed.
Sorry again for the thread drift guys.
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To be fair to the FAA, Rex, they did also implement new rest rules and reduced duty times after the Colgan crash. While flying for the regionals in the US, I noticed a significant improvement in my alertness once these rules had been brought in. The fact that EASA have essentially gone the opposite way is most alarming.
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fly4more: you are provided with pencil and paper for the maths test. No man and a suitcase test anymore. The cross-hairs one with the keypad to enter the number and the coloured shape, with hits and misses recorded.
For verbal reasoning I strongly recommend www.assessmentday.co.uk/aptitudetests_verbal and SkyTest for the computer based ones.
For verbal reasoning I strongly recommend www.assessmentday.co.uk/aptitudetests_verbal and SkyTest for the computer based ones.
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Nil further /Rex
As you know sub part q has been around for some time and LCC and State airlines have been working it for many years. If Easyjet use EASA I doubt they would apply it with a free hand , more likely in controlled way which with their FRMS they have no option but to. E.g x amount of flights @ xx hour s in the week. You also conveniently forget to mention that the limits on afternoons are less under EASA so there are some small swings the other way.
This should not be an industrial discussion full! Stop
As you know sub part q has been around for some time and LCC and State airlines have been working it for many years. If Easyjet use EASA I doubt they would apply it with a free hand , more likely in controlled way which with their FRMS they have no option but to. E.g x amount of flights @ xx hour s in the week. You also conveniently forget to mention that the limits on afternoons are less under EASA so there are some small swings the other way.
This should not be an industrial discussion full! Stop
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So ignore the clearly fatiguing (read dangerous) examples I have shown and then give EASA FTL's the all clear because a minority proportion of afternoon duties (which is not the time that the majority of people feel tired at work) now have shorter limits. Great argument.
By the way there is an airline I have named in this thread who ARE operating EASA with a free hand with no scheduling agreement or FRMS system who are happily flying around in EU airspace unimpeded putting significant pressure on the bottom line of easyJet (at least in the accountants' eyes) who in turn influence British Airways.
By the way there is an airline I have named in this thread who ARE operating EASA with a free hand with no scheduling agreement or FRMS system who are happily flying around in EU airspace unimpeded putting significant pressure on the bottom line of easyJet (at least in the accountants' eyes) who in turn influence British Airways.
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Unless you are an easyjet pilot flying full time easyjet rosters then you can have no possible understanding of the fatigue issues in easyjet .
I note from your previous posts that you appear to be some sort of fan or apologist for the EASA FTL regime .
EasyJet pilots are not asking for more money or to work less .We are asking for an FTL scheme that has at least some science in its workings to remain in place as opposed to the politically and commercially driven mess that is EASA
As for FRMS , it is noble concept and if allowed to do its job free of commercial pressure and tweaking then it could be a devastatingly effective tool .......
Apologies epic thread creep. Chief Brody below is correct , time to vacate !
Unless you are an easyjet pilot flying full time easyjet rosters then you can have no possible understanding of the fatigue issues in easyjet .
I note from your previous posts that you appear to be some sort of fan or apologist for the EASA FTL regime .
EasyJet pilots are not asking for more money or to work less .We are asking for an FTL scheme that has at least some science in its workings to remain in place as opposed to the politically and commercially driven mess that is EASA
As for FRMS , it is noble concept and if allowed to do its job free of commercial pressure and tweaking then it could be a devastatingly effective tool .......
Apologies epic thread creep. Chief Brody below is correct , time to vacate !
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