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Old 1st Oct 2014, 10:32
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So the best time to get in is about 5 years from now then, just in time to see your seniority shoot up
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 12:28
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.....it might be bearable at 25, you can perhaps lie to yourself at 30, but when you are looking at a first command in your late 50's......well....thats totally different....
I couldn't hold it in any longer; hilarious
But on a serious note Mr Gammon Flaps, they say the sea is never always still; who knows! Just maybe.
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 12:44
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And there's the rub. Sitting next to a skipper who in one month has netted say a third of what you net in a year. A command so far away that it may as well be in another lifetime. What stories do you trade as you cross the pond? How he/she took the other half to Barbados for a mini break whilst you took the missus to to the local shopping centre for a spot of lunch at Nandos?

Sure the 744 is a nice beast and BA is still one of the more stable jobs out there but Mr Gammon Flaps paints an entirely different picture.
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 12:55
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Thank you Mr Gammon Flaps. I know the individual concerned, and he closely resembles your description.

For those non believers.... Do I look bovvered?

Incidentally, it was recently 'accidentally' revealed that an A320 captain earned over £55k over the last year in overtime alone! He's not terribly senior.

The money is still here if you are happy to sell your soul to the devil. Personally I choose not to,
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 15:59
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To put another, more positive spin on things...

I took a 40% pay cut to move to BA. Frankly, I honestly don't miss the money. You can't put a price on quality of life and a decent career.

Anyone who thinks you can't have a good life living on £4k net a month plus, even with kids and living around London, needs a very serious reality check. The starting salary of £4k a month net puts you easily inside the top 10% of UK earners.
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 16:35
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Thank you Mr Gammon Flaps. I know the individual concerned, and he closely resembles your description.

For those non believers.... Do I look bovvered?
Some of those non-believers understand the difference between a payslip bottom corner that reflects PAYE (UK) vs. a payslip reflecting taxation in a non PAYE system (e.g. France)....

Anyhow, back to the thread
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 17:49
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I guess nobody has a spouse that works and earns good money? My wife works in Finance and makes more than I do... Are all pilots on Pprune married to stay-at-home spouses? Sounds like it. Nowadays a 2nd income is a necessity - especially if you have kids.


Back to the BA Direct Entry Pilot topic....
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 17:50
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'Anyone who thinks you can't have a good life living on £4k net a month plus, even with kids and living around London, needs a very serious reality check. The starting salary of £4k a month net puts you easily inside the top 10% of UK earners.'

AMEN.....
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 17:51
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Well said EV.

It couldn't be any simpler: if you can't live on £3.5k-£4k or are worried about time to command, don't bother applying.

People talking about earning £20k/month (even if gross) is not something that should be of concern to a new joiner.

I'm sure BA will get over you.
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 18:00
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Hey wiggy.
Have you never heard the term 'take home pay'?

I said what I mean, and I mean what I said.
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 18:34
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And if short haul goes sideways then who knows if you will ever get it
I think if S/H goes "sideways" time to said command will drop sharply, the caveat; that command will be with an IAG subsidiary. Not BA.

The standard BA career path and freedom to move between SH and LH on one seamless BA contract and set of T&Cs may well cease to exist at some point in the future. IAG is not going to support the benefits our legacy agreements bring anymore, that much is clear. I would hazard a guess the music will stop sometime in 2016, at which point it will be important to be in a seat you don't mind sitting in for a long time.

If you are 35 or above and leave Ezy, or even the Middle East, abandoning a command or an impending left seat promotion then I think you are nuts. If you have 35 years to play with and accept the airline is in a state of massive change then come on in, the water is decidedly lukewarm.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 05:58
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Hey wiggy.
Have you never heard the term 'take home pay'?

I said what I mean, and I mean what I said.
Yes I have, and I'm sure you do.

I could play the same "game" with my payslip because of where I live and am taxed, but the only person I would be fooling would be myself. If the original comment had been "his take home is 20K a month, mind you he/she has yet to pay tax in Ireland/France/Upper Volta or wherever" then eyebrows wouldn't have been raised, and the non-believers wouldn't have been quite as vociferous since 20K gross is, whilst unusual, at least credible.

Ultimately I know you (and probably others) think I'm coming over like a right phiart but I'm not looking to argue for the sake of it. I do however think it's important potential joiners don't make a life changing decision because they were unknowingly comparing apples with oranges.

Right, I am now off to console myself by looking at the "take home pay" on my own payslip whilst ignoring the tax bill that hit the door mat a few weeks back ....

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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 07:20
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Applying online

Have tried Safari, Chrome, Firefox IE10 and no browser can get past the disability scheme question. Those who have applied, how did you manage it?

Cheers
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 07:25
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BitMoreRightRudder - I sincerely hope you are wrong.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 08:20
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BMRR I think you're spot on with your predictions. I thought in the past you were slating ezy and extolling the virtues of BA but I was wrong - your previous posts were pretty down to Earth and realistic.

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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 17:44
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andymiff,

Had the same problem - cleared up when I went to the local library to use a Windows PC running a recent (I'm guessing) version of IE. None of my Apple devices worked.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 04:00
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Had the same problem but then tried to do the whole application on my iPad and it worked :-)
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 06:42
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No sponsor - I hope to god I'm wrong too.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 15:16
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BA Direct Entry Pilot.

Cheers guys. Had to find ie9 for it to work.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 16:04
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Is there a chance that anyone who is towards the bottom of the seniority list on the 747 could share a couple of rosters?

Much appreciated, just want to see what I am getting myself in for!
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