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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 17:16
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Chief Brody I'm alarmed by your first point We helped during the cc strikes.

Now that shows how weak you were and short sighted in the long run following true union values. If only you and your colleagues had remained Neutral and not interfered in a legal dispute things could have been different. Fast forward to 2014 and you can see a very divided workforce where FC and CC don't generally mix silent bus rides to the hotel solo dining being just a few examples. The damage to CRM has been ruined for a generation luckily we have ex bmi pilots who know the wrongs of the past and freely admit they are paying the consequences. Never will you receive any sympathy with regards to your conditions in the future I can tell you with every force draft that takes place a big smile appears on the faces of cabin crew sometimes unfortunately it's an ex bmi FC so some sympathy can be extended.
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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 20:00
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Wotersidew@nker

You are so far removed from reality, you troll status shines brilliantly, as ever. I admire your fervour for the irrelevant.

I'll give folk the truth, the bus rides have been raucous, the dining convivial and 'sporty', the extra-curricular as good as ever. Watersid . . . please let it go. This is 2014 and the 'red pens in the shirt pocket mob' are the ones who generally eat out of their Delseys- their blinkered bitterness gnawing through their souls.

Trust me. Please trust me. Life is good.
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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 07:32
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+1 wedge! Watersidewonker claims not to troll but he continues. The midland thing is a fantasy which he and his poisoned blood holds dear. There is no divide, which he speaks of, 20% 'volunteered', (I was employed elsewhere at the time before you start), 40% of the current shorthaul pilots didn't work for BA at the time. Keep pedalling your nonsense you sound like a barrel of laughs. Your union did a fantastic job by the way. How someone can stay bitter for 4 years + is beyond me! Grow up!
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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 08:13
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I suspect this thread will rightly shortly be cropped to get it back on the straight and narrow but whilst WW comments remain on view and are being read by prospective applicants they can't remain unchallenged:

you can see a very divided workforce where FC and CC don't generally mix silent bus rides to the hotel solo dining being just a few examples
No, that's simply not an accurate portrayal of how most crews behave on the line, and before you ask I don't always fly with mixed fleet. It's probably wishful thinking on WWs part. Certainly if he/she genuinely works for BA and is experiencing the above then I'd draw my own conclusions about who is causing the division.

More generally I'd point out (again?) to prospective employees that the rate at which life, the universe and everything is changing at BA is escalating ( downwards - can you do that? ). Even so there's still a tendency to view BA T&Cs through rose tinted glasses. IMHO it's probably still a good "gig" for some and would be worth the move, particularly if you are living and working in some remote hell hole and just want to get the heck out of Dodge - but I wouldn't join BA just because, to paraphrase "it's BA, it must be better than where I am now", because you might be in for a shock...."frying pan and fire", "caveat emptor" and all that.
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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 13:09
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Anecdotally, the chief pilot was approached as to what he was going to do with the plummeting morale amongst his department. His response was to ask what relevance morale has for the bottom line. In short, he couldn't give a ****
The irony....

Did he go through the recruitment process?



I doubt he's heard of Herb Kelleher.

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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 22:30
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Falling morale equals falling safety. Happy peeps concentrate on the job more and loyalty is the best motivator. These ******* airline bosses has no idea sometimes!

Makes the guys loyal and they will follow you to the ends of the earth.

Ps, it's been a long day and I'm not feeling the love ))
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 19:20
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Some of the most recent drowned DEP's have been called up (last month or so) with a job offer for 'bus courses (non rated DEP's that is) starting in the next month or so. Anyone know any more?
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 18:39
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I've heard recruitment isn't going to be for the Airbus now.
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 19:41
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Where did you hear that info... I'd be surprised if BA DEP onto LH as there are many unfrozen SH pilots. Plus I think this would be the final straw for a very miffed SH group, many of whom have very strong aspirations to go LH ASAP. I'm not sure in the current climate that this would go down too well with many of my fellow colleagues....
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 06:50
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Agreed, any attempt to recruit externally onto a Long Haul fleet at the moment would lead to, errrr, "problems"
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 07:26
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If not airbus, how about 737 instead??
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 07:37
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No, the recently called up ex-drowned DEP's (the ones I know anyway) are going on the bus.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 08:12
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No one will be going to the 737, it is a dying, contracting fleet with people posted out every month. BA are managing its decline - there will be no additional training to this fleet. It's the all electric death jet for everyone!
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 09:42
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BA want to standardise the SH fleet to Airbus. As stated above most of the aging 737 fleet is already on its way to Victorville.

The current meat grinder that is SH is full of pilots wanting to make the move from SH to LH, an aspiration that is central to their giving continued support to the BACC during productivity changes that seem to be pointed squarely at SH. Any change to this aspiration attributed to DEP onto LH as has happened in the past would be met with a huge amount of resistance, so much so that I believe the BACC would have to block any such recruitment plans for the protection of its current members.

DEP onto the LH fleets will not happen for some considerable time, if ever IMHO. BA requires A380 pilots to have BA airbus experience, the 767 is winding down as is the 744, the 787 is becoming the most junior LH fleet with a massive queue of SH pilots waiting for it and the 777 fleet becomes more senior by the day as the 744 guys transfer across.

Whilst I think that DEP will be opened for non type rated pilots again they will all be going to the French Electric SH death jet either at Heathrow or at Gatwick under whatever rostering system exists at the time.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:27
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When does recruitment resume for the "death" jet for someone who flies a slightly bigger version?
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:34
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When does recruitment resume for the "death" jet for someone who flies a slightly bigger version?
That's the million $ question isn't it. I think the current mess with manning levels, 'bidline's broken' management mantra and system replacements etc. will have to be resolved before any thought is given to that as established manning levels will, obviously, be a prime driver in future recruitment.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:43
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Ok thanks, I'm hearing rumours that it may commence very soon though.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:58
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How about the current A320 recruitment drive?! Any news?
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 12:05
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I am led to believe that some of those who have recently drowned in the pool have been offered 76 or 74 places. This at the same time as BA are directing some 76 guys to the bus. You couldn't make it up!!! There could be trouble ahead..

As the BA recruitment manager does occasionaly monitor this thread perhaps he would care to update one and all on what's going on. Pretty please......
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 12:23
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I fell out of the holdpool first week of Jan 2013. Non airbus rated and I've heard nothing.

Is there some kind of company criteria that you only could have drowned within the last year to be eligible for a call/email as the stuff you had then may have had only partially gone?

All I've heard from friends on various fleets is that bid line is getting the blame from management for being under under crewed and that the recent drive for bus pilots has fallen quite short for those with the right stuff.
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