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Old 5th Jan 2020, 13:45
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Originally Posted by Airbus38
I would stress once again that the bidding system is complicated and best learned about gradually once line training finished!
Sound advice...
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 16:29
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Very helpful post, thank you Airbus38.
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 19:57
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FOs get paid a flat rate of £514.33 per day
Really? That's news to me.
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 20:09
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Yup - 75% of Captain’s Rest Day Working (was 50%, increased some time in 2019 apparently to stop the growing trend for ‘haggling’ with Current Ops when they were desperate).

Note - rate quoted is the 2020 figure taking the pay rise in to account, and to be clear this is the ‘overtime’ (‘Rest Day Working’) payment applicable to LGW S/H pilots.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 14:37
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Originally Posted by bex88

FO’s do squeeze in overtime but their rosters are constant 6 on 1 off 5 on 2 off kind of deal. Overtime is really not very appealing but Wiggy sums it up nicely.



Sounds horrendous!!
At what point do you drop from exhaustion??
Safe??
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 14:44
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Originally Posted by Serenity



Sounds horrendous!!
At what point do you drop from exhaustion??
Safe??
I’ve been on the Airbus over 4 years at BA and have never had a roster like that. Certainly 6 on, but not 3 days off in 14.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 15:09
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It’s the guys picking up overtime that have rosters like that through choice. I was shocked when I saw it too.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 18:13
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Originally Posted by bex88
It’s the guys picking up overtime that have rosters like that through choice. I was shocked when I saw it too.
My apologies, I missed that part. Yea, some of the rosters out there are crazy, but if those guys are making some extra dollar then who am I to judge. Not for me personally though.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 05:39
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At PP1 what is the leave situation like? Number of days a year, golden days (if they exist) etc?
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 07:03
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow
At PP1 what is the leave situation like? Number of days a year, golden days (if they exist) etc?
FYI the Pay point (PP) is irrelevant, it's the same across all the PPs.

Full time contract it's 28 days leave per year..14 days to be taken in the summer season ( roughly April through start October), 14 days in the Winter. In the season it has to be taken as either a single 14 day block or two 7 day blocks...it cannot be spilt or broken down any further.

Before and/or after the leave block(s) - depending on whether it's a two week block or a pair of separated one week blocks you get buffer or "wrap" days (3 ?) where you cannot be forced to work but you may choose to do so (and there might be reasons for doing so but they are probably beyond the scope of this reply..)

Also you get two 7 day Duty Free Weeks (DFW), one week in the Summer season , one in winter, (plus effectively an optional "wrap" type day at the start of the DFW...you can choose to work in any of the days of DFW.)

6 Golden days per calendar year.

Leave/DFW entitlement is reduced proportionally for those on a part time contract.

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Old 7th Jan 2020, 10:44
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How much money on average can one expect to take home per month based at LHR SH year one?
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 12:05
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Depending on preference of day trips against nightstops, and ones use of HOST, probably around £4500.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 13:46
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Because somebody will ask - HOST is the allowances system...allows you to take money in and out of your account at down route hotels..

So if you take out lots of cash at slip hotels during the month and don't put little if any back in when you check out your take home pay will be reduced.

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Old 7th Jan 2020, 19:51
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Originally Posted by wiggy
Because somebody will ask - HOST is the allowances system...allows you to take money in and out of your account at down route hotels..

So if you take out lots of cash at slip hotels during the month and don't put little if any back in when you check out your take home pay will be reduced.
does not putting money back in reduce your tax liability?
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 19:54
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Originally Posted by Busdriver01
does not putting money back in reduce your tax liability?
No host is taken out after tax. Most have switched to revolut these days.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 20:06
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Originally Posted by Jumbo2
No host is taken out after tax.

Bugger!
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 20:36
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Originally Posted by Jumbo2
No host is taken out after tax. Most have switched to revolut these days.
Surely down route expenses are tax deductible?
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 21:17
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Originally Posted by kookiesandkreme
Surely down route expenses are tax deductible?
..and that is reflected in the way the "allowances" element of pay ( or more correctly the Time Away From Base - TAFB, payment) is taxed..

Each trip attracts an amount of money based on the time away from base.

By agreement with HMRC a percentage of TAFB payment is not subject to tax - the percentage is based on what HMRC think is a credible down route spend on food. The percentage is not calculated on an individual basis, it's a "blanket" figure and is based on evidence from audits (see last para).

HMRC tax the remaining percentage of TAFB as if it is income.

HMRC monitor the spend by running regular audits where they ask, well demand, that selected crew members produce receipts for their spend down route..their aim being no doubt to increase the percentage of the time away from base payment that is taxed as income.

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Old 7th Jan 2020, 22:56
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Full time contract it's 28 days leave per year..14 days to be taken in the summer season ( roughly April through start October), 14 days in the Winter. In the season it has to be taken as either a single 14 day block or two 7 day blocks...it cannot be spilt or broken down any further.

Before and/or after the leave block(s) - depending on whether it's a two week block or a pair of separated one week blocks you get buffer or "wrap" days (3 ?) where you cannot be forced to work but you may choose to do so (and there might be reasons for doing so but they are probably beyond the scope of this reply..)

Also you get two 7 day Duty Free Weeks (DFW), one week in the Summer season , one in winter, (plus effectively an optional "wrap" type day at the start of the DFW...you can choose to work in any of the days of DFW.)


6 Golden days per calendar year.


So if I’m reading the above right , you could get 6 months of the year where you have between 8-10 days off consecutively, if you break up your leave and DFW. Then you could use your golden days to book at least one Saturday off for each of the other 6 months? If that’s the case it seems pretty reasonable, and negates a lot of the stuff above about new joiners having little/no control over weekends etc......

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Old 8th Jan 2020, 06:59
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That's one for the new joiners to answer.

Meanwhile I'll merely note that you can't always get leave/DFW where you want it (limited number of "slots" for each week, and it's allocated based on a points accrued system).

One gripe about Golden Days is that there is no protection from a very late finish night before one or an early AM report the day after one, but, yes you could protect a weekend if you took a pair of GDs together - which is allowable..

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