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Old 18th Nov 2019, 15:20
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Originally Posted by HEJT2015
Any news on offers / start dates?
I've heard nothing for a couple of months now.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 07:43
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Originally Posted by SkyRocket10
..however BA recruited huge numbers in 2014/15 and many of these will be unfrozen and will take the majority of the long haul positions. This has not been the case in previous years as recruitment was quieter between 2012-14. My guess is that DEP short haul is more likely going forward.
Not just many, everybody recruited in 2015 are now unfrozen provided they haven’t taken their command in the meantime. You’ve got the 2016 lot (300+) with valid bids next year too. However, I doubt the veracity of a blanket “most will be going DEP SH” statement. BA will just probably pull out their training capacity joker and shaft all the unfrozen SH P2s in favour of LH DEP once again.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 08:39
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Update

Originally Posted by Percula
I've heard nothing for a couple of months now.
New email received yesterday, still trying to figure out what the manpower demand is for 2020. Once they have the go ahead and a budget they’ll start, until then I guess we’ll keep swimming!

Does anyone have any more info for example; if the training train will leave the station in Q1 2020 still? or has that ship sailed?
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 15:40
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Waiting...

Hold Pool update... What do we make out of it?
Nothing before Christmas or 2020 itself?
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 18:14
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Hi Ladies and Gents

I was wondering if anyone has heard any recent positive news in the hold pool or are having a similar experience?

Ive been in the pool since the start of March. During my assessment I was told if successful to expect a call very soon as the pool was very low. After a couple of months without hearing anything I contacted them as they said no training was scheduled till the end of summer. Towards the end of July I got a call to expect a start date in Q1 2020 and I would receive that date in September, possibly into October. It’s now end of November and still no date and to be honest the recent emails from them have start to make me wonder whether it will happen at all.

I appreciate all this is subject to change when your in the hold pool, and I’ve heard people were waiting 24 months plus in the pool a couple of years ago. I just feel on the basis of what I have been told from the start it all feels a bit disconcerting. Just wondering if anyone is going through the same?
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 06:31
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Anyone moved from an Orange airline to BA on short haul recently could give me an insight please.
feel free to DM

could anyone please send me some examples of their short haul rosters or how they feel lifestyle and working patterns are.

thanks



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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 09:48
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Originally Posted by Serenity
Anyone moved from an Orange airline to BA on short haul recently could give me an insight please.
feel free to DM

could anyone please send me some examples of their short haul rosters or how they feel lifestyle and working patterns are.

thanks


There’s a lot of info on Shorthaul rosters posted throughout this thread if you search for it.

LGW & LHR are quite different. LGW is seasonal so very busy in summer, very quiet in the winter months. I’ve averaged about 650-700 hours a year at LGW since I joined. Mainly day trips. Seniority increases pretty quickly (assuming recruitment continues).

LHR is the better option for commuting due to the amount of tours. Work is spread more evenly throughout the year. Don’t underestimate the hassle of operating there day in day out.

About 50% of the FO’s I fly with are ex orange. The majority seem happy with the decision but they unanimously agree it’s not the holy grail they’d hoped for/expected.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 04:52
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Movement yesterday and the day before for people going onto 320 and 350. Possibly other fleets too but I've not heard.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 07:53
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Originally Posted by Heisenb3rg
Movement yesterday and the day before for people going onto 320 and 350. Possibly other fleets too but I've not heard.
This sounds promising as I’m waiting for a SH start date. Though last week I received an email saying manpower plan not yet sorted so unable to offer start dates for 2020 at the moment...Anybody else know of any movement?
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 08:14
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Friend of mine got the call yesterday for LHR SH. He is already A320 typed. 3 months in the pool.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:10
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Hopefully suggests for the rest of us the manpower plan is approaching a publishable form.

Interesting as always to see how close the rumours approach to reality.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Jwscud
Hopefully suggests for the rest of us the manpower plan is approaching a publishable form.

Interesting as always to see how close the rumours approach to reality.
doesnt help when you’re pushed 787 manuals on DocuNet by mistake, just to give a bit of false hope then exacerbate the pain of NV when it inevitably comes.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 18:46
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I know people who have been pleasantly surprised to be given 787 command on type courses in January Rex, so perhap P2 will also have gone more junior than expected. The results will be with us soon enough.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 02:07
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Originally Posted by Biggles88
Hi Ladies and Gents

I was wondering if anyone has heard any recent positive news in the hold pool or are having a similar experience?

Ive been in the pool since the start of March. During my assessment I was told if successful to expect a call very soon as the pool was very low. After a couple of months without hearing anything I contacted them as they said no training was scheduled till the end of summer. Towards the end of July I got a call to expect a start date in Q1 2020 and I would receive that date in September, possibly into October. It’s now end of November and still no date and to be honest the recent emails from them have start to make me wonder whether it will happen at all.

I appreciate all this is subject to change when your in the hold pool, and I’ve heard people were waiting 24 months plus in the pool a couple of years ago. I just feel on the basis of what I have been told from the start it all feels a bit disconcerting. Just wondering if anyone is going through the same?
Same situation as you. The current line seems to be "finalising the training plan for 2020"

I've heard rumours this is dependant upon the current negotiations being completed. Would be great if someone in the know could confirm whether this is likely true or not.

Tvm
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 10:20
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Things are moving...

Any more good news? Keep it coming! Us swimmers will hopefully be rescued soon
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 11:22
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow
Friend of mine got the call yesterday for LHR SH. He is already A320 typed. 3 months in the pool.
Has anyone without a 320 rating been called for a SH start yet? Or should those of us that are not rated expect to swim a little longer?
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 11:37
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Originally Posted by boeing89


Has anyone without a 320 rating been called for a SH start yet? Or should those of us that are not rated expect to swim a little longer?
A320 no call yet
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 12:53
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Does Anyone have the Paypoint 34 (PP34) Payscale that new joiners will join on?

What can you expect the starting salary to be on Short Haul and Long Haul?

I know theres a payrise negotiation going on but just interested in the numbers as they currently stand.

Cheers
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 17:14
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Originally Posted by aaa333
Does Anyone have the Paypoint 34 (PP34) Payscale that new joiners will join on?

What can you expect the starting salary to be on Short Haul and Long Haul?

I know theres a payrise negotiation going on but just interested in the numbers as they currently stand.

Cheers
pilots job network fairly accurate for LH.
https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/British_Airways

i think the full full scale is on the Balpa website, airline documents > BA MOA (Salary Annexe). Oh, important point, pension is based upon the 24 point payscale, so your employer contributions go up quicker than salary. There are seperate scales for
LGW and LHR SH as well as LH.

Pay settlement is looking at 11.5% over 3 years; there are other odds and sods thrown in that will give you an extra (minor) boost in salary. Stuff like an extra quid per hour Flight Duty Pay. If it’s signed off of course!!!
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 18:55
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Originally Posted by VinRouge

pilots job network fairly accurate for LH.
https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/British_Airways

i think the full full scale is on the Balpa website, airline documents > BA MOA (Salary Annexe).
Yep, the year one FO Base figure ties from "pilotjobs" in ties in pretty much exactly with the BA MOA numbers so I'd suggest that (public) site is giving reasonably accurate info regarding basic pay last time everything was updated.
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