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Old 6th Jan 2019, 15:41
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
Couldn't agree more. If you don't do both, are you a pilot or merely a systems operator?
.......eh?
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 18:21
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
Couldn't agree more. If you don't do both, are you a pilot or merely a systems operator?
A modern pilot is both. He/she is also employed to carry out their duties in accordance with whatever SOPs their employer has deemed safest/most efficient
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 19:55
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
Couldn't agree more. If you don't do both, are you a pilot or merely a systems operator?
Off topic alert.

You're a pilot. Just because we don't spend our days wrestling with the controls in the same way as we might have in the past doesn't mean the job hasn't evolved and developed new challenges. For starters, 900 hrs/year is now a target not a limit. Fatigue is a real concern these days. Automation has changed the industry. Most jobs are evolving all the time at the end of the day.
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 20:10
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Just curious, flew there for 8yr, now 15 yr in the US. Back then I felt everyone in the US was working much harder, and often for less pay. Has that totally changed around? I honestly don' think I have to work too hard, and I have a lot of flexibility, can drop down to zero or pick up to the legal limit. Normal schedule for me is 3 4-day and a 3-day. TAFB 250 hours, block 65/70 hours, credit 70/75 hours. Add some other pay stuff so total around $200K/yr before tax, excluding company pension contribution, and I am a 6yr captain at the bottom paying loco. It sounds like everyone there is sick of the job....
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 09:17
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Originally Posted by Phantom4
Venco,there is no guarantee you would be offered LH aircraft.It is assessed on your ability to adapt effectively to the aircraft that they are using for sim assessment at the time,not solely on hours accrued and is non negotiable unless it suits BA.
Hi Phantom, I am aware of that. Doesn’t mean though that I will accept the job offer if it’s shorthaul. Hence my curiosity to net pay on LH :-) Unfortunately no news yet.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 10:52
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Good luck Venco.My advice,the answer’s yes,even if SH offer.I have known a crew on day three 744 being politely asked to relocate to the 320 CBT
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 15:42
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Hi Venco,

As a fellow Dutch guy my advice would be to say no to SH and yes to LH. Unless you're at a very bad place at the moment, only then I would say yes to SH.

To answer your question:
Basic pay year 1: £58.847
Allowances: Just under £20.000 (standing by to be corrected).

Net is hard to say. Depends on your tax situation in the UK/Netherlands.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 15:50
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
I mean trip two days off followed by trip two days off, and repeat with FA should you try and create a block of days off so you can recover. If you were given such a string of work in the past, you could at least swap a trip to a back to back, giving you 4 days off afterwards for decent recovery (not ideal, but considerably less fatiguing than 2 days off continuously).
EASA FTL doesn't like back to back trips especially at home base as it forces the operator to give crews hotel accommodation (if my memory serves me right). This might be OK at BA but at other UK AOC's it's frowned upon especially as Mr Tax man see's it as a taxable benefit. The other issue which I know from experience is those crews that live close to base often seem happy with such rosters whereas those using the C word don't....
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 16:09
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I know EASA doesn’t allow them. You asked me to explain how EASA changed things so I did.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 05:33
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Looking at the 777/787 DEP recruitment, Is there any reason why BA don’t offer a LGW base on the 777? I believe there will be 14 aircraft based at Gatwick this Summer, so it’s a sizeable operation.

Given the destinations, some longer trips and the fact it’s not LHR, this would certainly be an attractive prospect in an airline that, by most accounts on this thread, is quickly running out of attractive prospects.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 07:46
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
Looking at the 777/787 DEP recruitment, Is there any reason why BA don’t offer a LGW base on the 777? I believe there will be 14 aircraft based at Gatwick this Summer, so it’s a sizeable operation.

Given the destinations, some longer trips and the fact it’s not LHR, this would certainly be an attractive prospect in an airline that, by most accounts on this thread, is quickly running out of attractive prospects.


Unless you are going to crew it with pilots on reduced T&Cs I don’t really see what’s in it for the company...it’s not as if Flight Ops has problems getting people to volunteer to do the work.

There are plenty on the 777 fleet who bid specifically for the LGW work and by a combination of both bidding and swopping trips are in reality pretty much Gatwick based.




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Old 13th Jan 2019, 10:45
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Hi, now that DEP has opened up for LGW on 320, would anyone be able to give me an example roster.
The few trips they do and the pros and cons of choosing Lgw over Lhr.
Many thanks
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 12:56
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I’ve been waiting since mid December for some stage 2 dates to be offered. Anyone know what’s going on ?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 13:28
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Hi,

Any chance to get an idea on the A380 fleet standard rosters? How many trips a month? If someone could share a few A380 rosters, I would very much thankful.

Cheers!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 14:45
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Originally Posted by Jamie2009
Hello Everyone,

I'm contemplating applying for DEP at LHR and would like to be on LH.
Can someone please enlighten me on how many trips a month can be expected, their duration and time off between
trips?
That depends:

Trip lengths..anything from the odd/rare one day outliers, most trips are 3,4 or 5 day, max at the moment is the SYD trip (currently on the 777 ) which touches 9 days (departs evening of day one, gets back into LHR AM of day 9).

Time off between generally a minimum of two clear days, though in certain circumstances with certain trips it may be possible to opt to reduce time at base to a local night..OTOH the aforementioned Sydney trip demands 4 days/5 local nights off at base due to FTL constraints.

In very simplistic terms in a month with no leave embedded you possibly end up with 5 or 6 of the short (e.g. 2 or three day) trips, or say 3 or 4 of the longer trips.




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Old 13th Jan 2019, 15:06
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Originally Posted by wiggy



Unless you are going to crew it with pilots on reduced T&Cs I don’t really see what’s in it for the company...it’s not as if Flight Ops has problems getting people to volunteer to do the work.

There are plenty on the 777 fleet who bid specifically for the LGW work and by a combination of both bidding and swopping trips are in reality pretty much Gatwick based.

I assume with EASA FTLs, the positioning from LHR to LGW needs to be shown. So an immediate benefit to the company is a reduction in duty hours spent (not) on the M25. I don't know exactly what arrangements BA have for pilots operating from LGW (HOTAC, taxis if required?) to comment further. What's the current benefit to the company of having all 777 drivers based in LHR?

For me personally, and I know I'm not alone, it's the difference between applying and not. One less CV to throw in the bin I suppose.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:06
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
I assume with EASA FTLs, the positioning from LHR to LGW needs to be shown. So an immediate benefit to the company is a reduction in duty hours spent (not) on the M25. I don't know exactly what arrangements BA have for pilots operating from LGW (HOTAC, taxis if required?) to comment further. What's the current benefit to the company of having all 777 drivers based in LHR?

For me personally, and I know I'm not alone, it's the difference between applying and not. One less CV to throw in the bin I suppose.
1. There is nil positioning. The company/Union agreement, approved by the CAA, is that if you have a LGW trip on your roster you make your own way to Crew report at Gatwick, i.e. your report is at LGW. FWIW a significant number of Longhaul pilots live around the Gatwick area anyway and for them a Gatwick report is easier than heading around the M25 to LHR.

2. Yes there is an agreement for a hotel room (but no allowances) if the individual requests it, but again because many of the “locals” elect to bid for the LGW work I’m not how many actually take the option.

I’m not sure why there not being a Gatwick stand-alone 777 base is a deal breaker for you....there is nothing to stop you applying to BA and seeing if you can get an offer of the T7...if that worked out then you’d be in a position to bid for the Gatwick work, as long as it continues.









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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
I assume with EASA FTLs, the positioning from LHR to LGW needs to be shown. So an immediate benefit to the company is a reduction in duty hours spent (not) on the M25. I don't know exactly what arrangements BA have for pilots operating from LGW (HOTAC, taxis if required?) to comment further. What's the current benefit to the company of having all 777 drivers based in LHR?

For me personally, and I know I'm not alone, it's the difference between applying and not. One less CV to throw in the bin I suppose.
LGW and LHR are less than 45 miles away from each other and much less than 90 minutes apart most of the time (M25 dependent of course). Plus 777 Pilots do not report at Heathrow they report straight to Gatwick so there is no impact on duty times or FTLs. Anyone at the bottom of the P2 List hoping to get more than one Gatwick trip (at least pre swaps) every three to four months or so is likely to be disappointed.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:27
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Thanks for clearing that up, wiggy.

Originally Posted by RexBanner

Anyone at the bottom of the P2 List hoping to get more than one Gatwick trip (at least pre swaps) every three to four months or so is likely to be disappointed.
Pretty much what I expected. Even the JFK?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:46
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Originally Posted by C212-100
Hi,

Any chance to get an idea on the A380 fleet standard rosters? How many trips a month? If someone could share a few A380 rosters, I would very much thankful.

Cheers!
Fairly straightforward C212 you’ll get a combination of somewhere between 3-4 trips each month. The fleet has it’s Western Cowboys doing the LA’s and SFO’s Chinese Barons doing SIN and HKG’s and the golfers doing the JNB’s. There is a lot of swapping going on under JSS. As a DEP you won’t get the variety that the Boeing’s do or the Cinderella (A350) fleet eventually. That can be good or bad depending on what you want to do.
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