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Old 16th Oct 2018, 12:33
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....The only qualifier I would put NoCtot is how many people actually participated in the dry run. I know i didn’t and I would imagine the results are fairly meaningless in terms of output as the participation was somewhat limited.
I don’t think I’d be breaching any rules if I said that according to a source on Yammer it was about 65%, plus or minus not a lot for both seats on the LHR Airbus Fleet.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 12:36
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Well Wiggy from a cursory glance on Yammer it’s become clear what an utter turd we have voted for, thanks Balpa!
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 12:42
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Originally Posted by RexBanner
Well Wiggy from a cursory glance on Yammer it’s become clear what an utter turd we have voted for, thanks Balpa!
Well I’m sure somebody will be along again the t*** about this again but as I recall it:

1. Those formerly at the top of BA BALPA decided to effectively combine a vote on a rostering system with a vote on an element of our pay.....I have to say that IMHO was not that BACC’s finest hour.

2. The membership then voted .....

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 12:54
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Purely a facetious comment on this occasion Wiggy in the light of previous discussion.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 12:57
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Originally Posted by RexBanner
Purely a facetious comment on this occasion Wiggy in the light of previous discussion.

Understood..good luck at Gatwick
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:11
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Just checked out the JSS yammer. 6 trips/ 2 days off plus leave on the dry run type thing.

Reading the Yammer comments is very similar to reading those now famous amazon reviews of using “Veet for men” on your gentleman vegetables.

Wonder of the lack lack of participation affected that or if the AI is doing exactly as the AI would do (I think calling it intelligent probably a stretch)?
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:25
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Originally Posted by NoCtot
Being in the top third of the SH bidding group (over 75% behind me)
I couldn’t help wondering, are you in the top third (over 67% behind you) or the top quarter (over 75% behind you)?
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Originally Posted by Doug E Style


I couldn’t help wondering, are you in the top third (over 67% behind you) or the top quarter (over 75% behind you)?
hahaha nice one, that is the current SH fatigue starting to kick in ;-)

67% behind me indeed.

All the rosters are now published internally. The junior guys on LH and especially the B777 are getting absolutely hammered, really do feel sorry for them. Those rosters are just pure evil and unbearable (6,7 and even 8 trips a month).

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:52
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Reading Yammer it reminds me very much of the South Park “The Human CentiPad” episode mocking Apple’s Terms and Conditions (and the lack of reading thereof before clicking agree) whereby the users are turned into a Human Centipede (it was in the small print) with Steve Jobs, unable to comprehend the discomfort and dissatisfaction of those people now stitched together, forcefully and scornfully making the point to them that “you agreed to this!!!”

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 14:12
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Originally Posted by RexBanner
Reading Yammer it reminds me very much of the South Park “The Human CentiPad” episode mocking Apple’s Terms and Conditions (and the lack of reading thereof before clicking agree) whereby the users are turned into a Human Centipede (it was in the small print) with Steve Jobs, unable to comprehend the discomfort and dissatisfaction of those people now stitched together, forcefully and scornfully making the point to them that “you agreed to this!!!”

ha ha!

like I say put me in mind of the veet reviews. For example this one pasted from amazon. I found that the letters “JSS” and “roster” could be comfortably substituted into the review and it still bared a striking resemblance to the comments on yammer . Particularly heeding the lesson regarding the rules. Indulge me if you will...

“Being a loose cannon who does not play by the rules the first thing I did was ignore the warning and smear JSS all over my (unmentionables). The rosters I knew and loved are gone now. In their place is a maroon coloured bag of agony which sends stabs of pain up my body every time it grazes against my thigh or an article of clothing. I am suffering so that you don't have to. Heed my lesson. “
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 15:14
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Looking at the dry run rosters it is quite amazing. Never have I seen such a clear change as you scroll down the seniority. If you scroll fast it’s actually like a flick book animation with more and more work blocks appearing per line and the credit going towards 100 hours the further down the lines you get. The 777 and 747 really illustrate this.

looks like it should be renamed STAABRS - six trip and a bit rostering system or JFS - junior fatigue system.

Now, keeping ones hair on for a second, I don’t know how accurate all this dry run stuff is compared to what it’ll be like when everyone is involved. Also, I think even BA will recognise allow that kind of run rate to go on and they’ll have an issue with crews dropping off the operational perch pretty quickly and in large order. So as bad as it looks on the dry runs, the actual product might be different (says searching for optimism). I hope so anyway!
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 20:44
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Hi Buter,

What the heck happened to MP ?? Sounds like a major upset - hope it wasn't over JSS.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 04:54
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With any luck, the fatigue levels will go through the roof. It needs hundreds of pilots to go fatigued as it’s only when BA start cancelling flights due to shortages will they recruit more. I’m astounded at how many pilots soldier on flying 5 or more trips a month. On long haul, that would probable mean 5 nights out of bed without any sleep. Is that really how we should be operating aircraft in the 21st century? 2 pilots across the Atlantic overnight, without any rest? Controlled rest doesn’t really cut it i’m afraid.
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
Hi Buter,

What the heck happened to MP ?? Sounds like a major upset - hope it wasn't over JSS.
Contact him directly. He will be more than happy to explain.

Hunter - with very rare exception, each flight for me is 2 nights out of bed.

Cheers

Buter

PS - Damn, just hit 100 posts! Took 15 years. Time to move on, I guess.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 14:09
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Hello all,

Any invitations for the A320 LGW assessment lately? Is Captain position realistic for experienced applicants in <18 months for LGW? Will LHR transfer be possible?

Thank you
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 16:09
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Originally Posted by sun shines every day
Hello all,

Any invitations for the A320 LGW assessment lately? Is Captain position realistic for experienced applicants in <18 months for LGW? Will LHR transfer be possible?

Thank you
Yes, Captain within 18 months is possible. Latest rumours are everyone who has bid for a LGW command in 2019 will get it. LHR transfer as a FO is no problem, in fact you can probably tell them you’d prefer LHR and start there. LHR Captain is harder as you will need the seniority for a LHR command. Latest rumours for LHR command is ~3500 on a ~4350 pilot workforce.

Disclaimer: it’s rumour and appearantly very fluid at the moment.


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Old 19th Oct 2018, 16:39
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Yes, Captain within 18 month is possible. Latest rumours are everyone who has bid for a LGW command in 2019 will get it. LHR transfer as a FO is no problem, in fact you can probably tell them you’d prefer LHR and start there. LHR Captain is harder as you will need the seniority for a LHR command. Latest rumours for LHR command is ~3500 on a ~4350 pilot workforce.

Disclaimer: it’s rumour and appearantly very fluid at the moment.
Anybody know how long it is taking after the initial online application to get an interview, providing one is successful with the online assessment? I applied about 10 days ago and wondering how long it could roughly take.

I applied as NTR FO but as experienced pilot with jet time and over 5000 hours.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 18:09
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Anybody know how long it is taking after the initial online application to get an interview, providing one is successful with the online assessment? I applied about 10 days ago and wondering how long it could roughly take.

I applied as NTR FO but as experienced pilot with jet time and over 5000 hours.
5 months for me between initial application, invite for aptitude testing, invite for group exercise, invite for sim assessment.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 10:11
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02/08/18 - Application submitted
21/08/18 - Invited for stage 1
31/08/18 - Stage 1
03/09/18 - Outcome stage 1
08/10/18 - Stage 2
12/10/18 - Outcome stage 2 - waiting for sim date
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 11:17
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Originally Posted by Elw18
02/08/18 - Application submitted
21/08/18 - Invited for stage 1
31/08/18 - Stage 1
03/09/18 - Outcome stage 1
08/10/18 - Stage 2
12/10/18 - Outcome stage 2 - waiting for sim date
I presume invited for stage 1 on 21/08/18 means a face to face interview as opposed to the online assessment which was already complete.
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