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Old 20th Mar 2020, 20:21
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After the announcement today that the government will cover 80% of an employees wage with a limit of £2500.

Is there any possibility that would include the FOís who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?

Sorry if itís a silly question, canít really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 21:32
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Originally Posted by SissySkinner View Post
After the announcement today that the government will cover 80% of an employees wage with a limit of £2500.

Is there any possibility that would include the FOís who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?

Sorry if itís a silly question, canít really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
Word is IAG arenít accepting any govt assistance including this wage thing so they look good to shareholders/the city. I was hoping the same as you but I think itís wishful thinking. Asda, Lidl, Aldi and Maccies applications going in tomorrow, ezy fleet is grounded from Tuesday
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 21:36
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Originally Posted by SissySkinner View Post
After the announcement today that the government will cover 80% of an employees wage with a limit of £2500.

Is there any possibility that would include the FOís who have had their job offers withdrawn due to Covid-19? Or do you have to be employed by the company and have your salary paid by BA and then the government pay the 80% back to BA?

Sorry if itís a silly question, canít really find the details anywhere at this early stage.
I should really hope so. I wander if BA could honour our start dates and place us immediately on unpaid leave?

For those of us who have a family and mortgage to pay for and no prospect of returning to our previous employers this would be a lifesaver.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 22:31
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IAG donít have a choice on the government wage guarantee, unless of course they just make thousands redundant. That would do far more damage to them than allowing employees to accept help offered by the government.

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Old 20th Mar 2020, 22:47
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
IAG donít have a choice on the government wage guarantee, unless of course they just make thousands redundant. That would do far more damage to them than allowing employees to accept help offered by the government.

Agreed. Unfortunately I don't think it will help us who have had our contracts rescinded already, from my understanding the company would have to request a grant from HMRC to cover up to 80% of the employees wages.

1. I can't imagine IAG wanting to do that.
2. They would need to reinstate our rescinded contracts and put us on the payroll. A big ask of a company that are willing to withdraw your job offer just weeks before your start date.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 22:50
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Originally Posted by SissySkinner View Post
Agreed. Unfortunately I don't think it will help us who have had our contracts rescinded already, from my understanding the company would have to request a grant from HMRC to cover up to 80% of the employees wages.

1. I can't imagine IAG wanting to do that.
2. They would need to reinstate our rescinded contracts and put us on the payroll. A big ask of a company that are willing to withdraw your job offer just weeks before your start date.
worth asking though, isnít it?
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 00:30
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Originally Posted by SissySkinner View Post
1. I can't imagine IAG wanting to do that.

How much authority do IAG have over BACF? As they are actively looking at keeping everybody employed through this government scheme according to a letter from the union.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 01:36
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To the kind person who offered to add me to the WhatsApp for withdrawn contract people... canít sent over my number or the number of another chap in the same position, if you could delete the messages in your inbox so I can send them thatíd be great. Thanks and apologies to everyone else for spamming the thread!
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 01:40
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Also re: not accepting govt help, Iím only going off a slide on a presentation I wasnít meant to see outlining current operational proposals

ĎBA not looking for government support to keep investor confidence highí

Make of that what you will and I tend to agree with those who have replied, but Iím just reporting what Iíve seen.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 08:45
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This should clear things up a bit. Read it all, just not the headline.

BA-Owner Has Not Asked for State Aid: CEO

By Reuters
  • March 16, 2020
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LONDON — British Airways-owner IAG has not asked for state aid, said its CEO, as he detailed the group's response to the coronavirus crisis, including accelerating the retirement of some aircraft and possible cuts to 2021 capacity.

"I think individual airlines have been approaching governments looking for state aid, we have not done so," IAG CEO Willie Walsh said on an investor call.

"Governments would expect airlines to look at self help before they would call on governments to provide state aid."

He said that IAG would, however, make use of any general state-support for employees where it becomes available.
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The group's dividend will still be put to shareholder approval in June, Walsh said, adding that he had "nothing to add" when asked about whether a plan to buy Air Europa would still go ahead.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 11:14
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From the BBC News website

ĎBut he added the government intervention - covering wages of up to £2,500 a month - would mean workers should be able to keep their jobs, even if their employer could not afford to pay them.

It is understood the wage subsidy will apply to firms where bosses have already had to lay off workers due to the pandemic, as long as they are brought back into the workforce and instead granted a leave of absence.í


I think its certainly worth us asking. Unless Iíve got the wrong end of the stick itís not going to cost BA any money and it would massively help out the people who are now unemployed since having their contract withdrawn.

Fingers crossed they will understand and be willing to help.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 11:47
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it is certainly worth asking, but it probably depends what the contract you signed actually says. Unfortunately, you were never actually on the payroll, and I suspect that might be an issue.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 14:30
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What’s the thought on getting some of that £2500 in the month of unpaid...
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 14:43
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There does seem to be a lot of naivety displayed here. As much as BA may want you to think you are joining a big happy family, I’m afraid that hasn’t been the case for many years. You will be regarded as a cost. Many years ago, pilots were historically treated as quasi managers in terms of terms and conditions. That was firmly stopped in 2009 with the Staff travel rewrite.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were “professionals” with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply “piece-workers” as this unpaid stand-down has shown. You aren’t available to work, or we don’t have work for you to do? We stop paying you.
BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&C’s that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there.
This isn’t meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAP’s are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isn’t sustainable over a 30 year career.

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Old 21st Mar 2020, 16:27
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
There does seem to be a lot of naivety displayed here. As much as BA may want you to think you are joining a big happy family, Iím afraid that hasnít been the case for many years. You will be regarded as a cost. Many years ago, pilots were historically treated as quasi managers in terms of terms and conditions. That was firmly stopped in 2009 with the Staff travel rewrite.
Many of our colleagues also believed that we were ďprofessionalsĒ with a firm contract. Again, we have been disabused of that notion. We are simply ďpiece-workersĒ as this unpaid stand-down has showed. You arenít available to work, or we donít have work for you to do? We stop paying you.
BA is still an attractive place to work (compared to many of the other airlines), but come in with your eyes open, and be aware that on the day you join, you will have the best T&Cís that you will ever enjoy, as it will all be downhill from there.
This isnít meant to sound negative, just be aware of what you are joining , and how IAG and the BA board will do its upmost to strip the earnings out of the company, which directly affects your salary and lifestyle. Ask around how high CAPís are and how many days are spent at work. It is relentless. As many find out at, say EJ or RY, it isnít sustainable over a 30 year career.
I can guarantee pretty much everyone whoís even stuck an application into BA, never mind actually got an offer, has spoken to someone who either works there or knows someone who does, usually coupled with a myriad of captains at our current airlines telling us weíre stupid for doing it. We know what weíve let ourselves in for, we know weíre just a number just like we are at EZY, RYR etc. Weíre just trying to stay positive, not being naive.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 16:44
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Originally Posted by WorcesterPilot View Post
I can guarantee pretty much everyone whoís even stuck an application into BA, never mind actually got an offer, has spoken to someone who either works there or knows someone who does, usually coupled with a myriad of captains at our current airlines telling us weíre stupid for doing it. We know what weíve let ourselves in for, we know weíre just a number just like we are at EZY, RYR etc. Weíre just trying to stay positive, not being naive.

Couldn't agree more with Worcester. Also If you think your T's & C's are declining at BA you should see what the new COO of easyJet is trying to do. He's basically used COVID 19 as an excuse to put everyone on a Ryanair contract. No crew food, no tea or coffee, unable to refuse roster changes on report, back to full EASA FTL's, unable to refuse working into your day off, the list goes on...
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 07:21
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Rather lousy timing: Resigned too early, attempted to join BA too late, and as a final knock to the nads, too late to benefit from the benefit.
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