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Im am always open for constructive discussions )
exactly my friends and its the sole reason why i am here as well.. when the aviation sector was basically culled to its skeleton body due to the financial depression , when most organisations were either retrenching or folding this area had and still is on a massive growth period.... an until there is a better option to suit my lifestyle and expensive tastes i shall be here
this is what i have been saying all along .. its not Utopian organisation on the contrary it has its issue more so then some but look at in a more holistic way it a more suitable option out there by scaremongering and going on an emotional rant about the unrealized expectations does nothing for the other fellow aviator looking for an opportunity feed their own family, to get out of a working doldrums... or find a closer option to their family...
we all have these progressive periods.. mate i would rather be home as well among family and friends but the incompetent politicians along with crappy conditions high tax rates combined with the dismal nature in aviation where i am from prohibits me from making such a disastrous decision by staying home. it not that i love living on a knife edge of uncertainty but we have to make the most of the opportunities that is put in front of us... by expelling unsubstantiated factious rumors filled with emotional hatred does nothing for for the other person looking for the light in the end of the tunnel who may even be in a worse situation ..
that's why i try to be professional and look at in in both angles with out too much influence from my limbic system..
iyi ucuslarrr and as for the rakiiiii i dont think i could ever get used to that...A few beers or a shot of jack or to combined with a lap dance from a hot dirty..... ooppss too much info maybe in another forum
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good post: exactly the type of constructive information people need in order to make a educated decision..
Im am always open for constructive discussions )
The reason why iam still here is because it still is better flying here as it was at home because the terms were really ****e over there so yes it is an improvement overall however
this is what i have been saying all along .. its not Utopian organisation on the contrary it has its issue more so then some but look at in a more holistic way it a more suitable option out there by scaremongering and going on an emotional rant about the unrealized expectations does nothing for the other fellow aviator looking for an opportunity feed their own family, to get out of a working doldrums... or find a closer option to their family...
Maybe iam negative because I rather would be living in Europe and maybe Iam just disappointed in aviation as a whole , and disappointed in my previous company for being so ****e,and that my seniority and hard work was for nothing and I feel that I just start completely from the ground up again, However this is not THY'S fault these are my issues and I have to deal with them..
that's why i try to be professional and look at in in both angles with out too much influence from my limbic system..
iyi ucuslarrr and as for the rakiiiii i dont think i could ever get used to that...A few beers or a shot of jack or to combined with a lap dance from a hot dirty..... ooppss too much info maybe in another forum
Kirks gusset:
good post: exactly the type of constructive information people need in order to make a educated decision..
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So what are the schedules like for the narrow body guys? Did I read somewhere only 4 days off a month!! Are they mostly day trips? How long are you gone from home (in turkey) a month?
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How many standby days are you rostered and how often would you get called from them? Are there any deep night flights and if so how many can you do consecutively? What is the earliest report for an early? Are these 2 sector or 4 sector days on the A320?
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Schedules depend on the season, winter you would be flying an average about 60-70hrs and during summer peak time about 80-90hrs but this is also reducing as more crews join at the moment Cpts are flying about 80ish and 70-80 for FO on the narrow body....
the flying mix of either 4 sector days or 2 sectors days occasionally you get a 1 sector after a re-position.. but not to common.. because of the vast amounts of destinations THY fly and the different proximities you can really say there is a pattern its mix some months a good some are bad... but really depends on the fleet now with Anadolu Jet being slowly offloaded to Sun express crew the 737 is getting better nearly on par with the A320.. but 737 have more layover and fly more frequently to the African continent.....
as for you the days off: you get 7 days off per month in either 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 or you can take the option of getting 4block days in a row and the rest distributed over the month... my average is about 8 days..
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depends on the season winter you get a a few more than in summer.. and how often you get called??? please excuse my ignorance but i am not sure why would that be relevant... my personal view is i get my minimum restored days off (as stated int he contract and OM-A) and pay for the duty i completed .. any after that, providing its within legal limits and within the scope of my contract or OM-A (flight and duty limits), i wouldn't be too fussed if they put 20 days stand by and call me 20 time or once... but to answer your question.. its sporadic not common but THY does have teething issues so you might be called up a few time more some months than others ....
mostly middle east, Africa and Russian cities usually departs between 11pm-1am local.. but these are mostly if not all 2 sectors... example middle east night flight generally leave about 11pm is anbd return around 6-7 am but now crew have started layovers in DXB and AUH..
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well as i stated before it depends on the season and the vast amounts of destinations THY fly... for example you might fly to 4 sectors domestically or 2 sector international and 2 docmestice (ie. Rome) then do 2 sector domestic leg (like Ankara)... or 2 sectors to Brussels and back... but generally the narrow body if 60% 4 sectors on the airbus bit more on the B737 but this varies with the season as well ..
the earliest start i had for a 4 sector day was 03:15z if thats what you meant by 'early'
Iver:
if you start mixing local politics with your professional views your are bound to have issues in no matter what county you work or live in....
and your wrong i have full access YouTube (called DNS bypass... simple as a 5 year old can do it here)
Personally, and please do not m misunderstand me, i have learnt never to get involved with either local or organisational politics.. i look at it as a business transaction.. do my job within the contracted terms get my days off and be paid on time.. once you start combining exterior influences like politics then life becomes to complex for anyone to be happy...no matter what part of the world you live in...
put it in perspective GEZI protests/riots ... how did it affect me... absolutely zilch i still did my duty had my days off and got paid.. let the locals worry about the politics and we expat aviators worry about a our own job and $$$$$
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BTW The courts have ordered twitter to be unblocked and YouTube itself has applied to the constitutional courts to lift the ban as well
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ohh yeh i forgot to add TripAdvisor and Named Istanbul as the best destination for 2014... so while your here make the most of your free time.. its what i do
So what are the schedules like for the narrow body guys? Did I read somewhere only 4 days off a month!! Are they mostly day trips? How long are you gone from home (in turkey) a month?
the flying mix of either 4 sector days or 2 sectors days occasionally you get a 1 sector after a re-position.. but not to common.. because of the vast amounts of destinations THY fly and the different proximities you can really say there is a pattern its mix some months a good some are bad... but really depends on the fleet now with Anadolu Jet being slowly offloaded to Sun express crew the 737 is getting better nearly on par with the A320.. but 737 have more layover and fly more frequently to the African continent.....
as for you the days off: you get 7 days off per month in either 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 or you can take the option of getting 4block days in a row and the rest distributed over the month... my average is about 8 days..
Bad Robot:
How many standby days are you rostered and how often would you get called from them?
Are there any deep night flights and if so how many can you do consecutively
What is the earliest report for an early? Are these 2 sector or 4 sector days on the A320
well as i stated before it depends on the season and the vast amounts of destinations THY fly... for example you might fly to 4 sectors domestically or 2 sector international and 2 docmestice (ie. Rome) then do 2 sector domestic leg (like Ankara)... or 2 sectors to Brussels and back... but generally the narrow body if 60% 4 sectors on the airbus bit more on the B737 but this varies with the season as well ..
the earliest start i had for a 4 sector day was 03:15z if thats what you meant by 'early'
Iver:
Don't go to Turkey if "freedom of expression" is important to you. No more unfettered access to Twitter and Youtube.
and your wrong i have full access YouTube (called DNS bypass... simple as a 5 year old can do it here)
Personally, and please do not m misunderstand me, i have learnt never to get involved with either local or organisational politics.. i look at it as a business transaction.. do my job within the contracted terms get my days off and be paid on time.. once you start combining exterior influences like politics then life becomes to complex for anyone to be happy...no matter what part of the world you live in...
put it in perspective GEZI protests/riots ... how did it affect me... absolutely zilch i still did my duty had my days off and got paid.. let the locals worry about the politics and we expat aviators worry about a our own job and $$$$$
...BTW The courts have ordered twitter to be unblocked and YouTube itself has applied to the constitutional courts to lift the ban as well
FYIohh yeh i forgot to add TripAdvisor and Named Istanbul as the best destination for 2014... so while your here make the most of your free time.. its what i do
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Any of you guys know the cost on this?
Non-type rated Captains and First Officers will sign a bond. Although it has not
yet been confirmed, type rating will be given by the Turkish Airlines and the
expenses will be cut from the pilot’s salary each month for 3 years. Turkish
Airlines will decide which fleet type you will be assigned to.
yet been confirmed, type rating will be given by the Turkish Airlines and the
expenses will be cut from the pilot’s salary each month for 3 years. Turkish
Airlines will decide which fleet type you will be assigned to.
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What are the current rules regarding staff travel?
does TK give unlimited ID90 for Captains and family in Business like any National carrier or is there a difference? If TK wants to entice me to join, I need to convince the boss ( my wife
) that she can join me on layovers and get unlimited ID travel to escape Istanbul on a regular basis...
does TK give unlimited ID90 for Captains and family in Business like any National carrier or is there a difference? If TK wants to entice me to join, I need to convince the boss ( my wife
) that she can join me on layovers and get unlimited ID travel to escape Istanbul on a regular basis...
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IMHO, Gf*c* is a troll, and has been on my ignore list for a long time. Seems (s)he has become a THY troll now. I suggest putting this ID on your ignore list as well, and read this thread one more time w/o his/her misleading contributions - the situation at THY will become quite clear.
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if you consider giving OBJECTIVE UNBIASED views regarding THY as trolling so be it.. if you really have looked in to my threads even a 3 year old could figure out i am not pro or against THY or Turkey for that matter...
if you consider providing other professionals with assistance rather that slagging them, in an industry full of colleague bashing..as trolling so be it
if you put me on your ignore list ..believe me i don't give the slightest crap about that either in contrast it just shows your reluctance to even consider other views or opinions objectively....
you couldn't be further from the truth
if you consider giving OBJECTIVE UNBIASED views regarding THY as trolling so be it.. if you really have looked in to my threads even a 3 year old could figure out i am not pro or against THY or Turkey for that matter...
if you consider providing other professionals with assistance rather that slagging them, in an industry full of colleague bashing..as trolling so be it
if you put me on your ignore list ..believe me i don't give the slightest crap about that either in contrast it just shows your reluctance to even consider other views or opinions objectively....
you couldn't be further from the truth
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the real intention of THY
Hello guys please be informed of the following:
1) Expat are not welcome in THY and generally welcomed in Turkey as long as they can get their money
2)THY is a non expat airline. They are irresponsibly lying to expat to fulfill a temporary lack of Turkish national. Your "permanent" yabanci contract is not permanent but linked to your work permit that will be renewed every year.
A phone call to the Ministry of Labor will suffice when needed.
3) Turkey has become largely a dictatorship and THY is a direct emanation of the Government. Freedom of speech has been limited. Youtube banned after expose' revealing massive bribery of PM and gang
4) No upgrade of DEC to long haul fleet will ever happen. No upgrade of foreign FO will ever happen even for astrophysicists.
5) You will be tolerated as a necessary evil and treated with interested courtesy.
6) THY is far from being the best European Airline as they love to call them self. Turkey hasn't and will probably never be able to fully understand what being European implies.
7) The company is still vastly under control of an ex- military mafia starting from flight ops management, protecting the local military pilots and keeping their seat warm until ready for the next CFIT by imposing absurd limitation on civilian pilots ( degree and 6 years ) while they can upgrade in two without speaking a word ( may be one ?) of English and with questionable attitude. Many would not pass a screening in any "real" airline.
8) G4RCE is an expat that has been involved by THY recruitment as they have no what so ever clue in trying to sell for gold what is actually is mostly lead.
9) TL has lost 33% of its value in one year. The country is in a constant political turmoil causing large, unpredictable fluctuations of its currency. Devaluation of 99% happened not so long ago.
10) Commuting on narrow body is impossible from Europe imagine from the US. Leave stands at 15 days , No leave first year. Moving your family to Istanbul impossible. Foreign schools are incredibly expensive ( starting from 15000 EUR per kid/year). THY does not offer any benefit.Two ID90 tickets month for eligible family members. Tureky inflation skyrocketing at 12% and Istanbul is more expensive than you think.
11) Of the initiial group of 350 pilots 77% is not working for THY anymore me included.
12) The job becomes acceptable if you are retired from other outfit looking for some last fun and extra bucks in Turkey but on wide body fleet.
The rest enjoy!!
1) Expat are not welcome in THY and generally welcomed in Turkey as long as they can get their money
2)THY is a non expat airline. They are irresponsibly lying to expat to fulfill a temporary lack of Turkish national. Your "permanent" yabanci contract is not permanent but linked to your work permit that will be renewed every year.
A phone call to the Ministry of Labor will suffice when needed.
3) Turkey has become largely a dictatorship and THY is a direct emanation of the Government. Freedom of speech has been limited. Youtube banned after expose' revealing massive bribery of PM and gang
4) No upgrade of DEC to long haul fleet will ever happen. No upgrade of foreign FO will ever happen even for astrophysicists.
5) You will be tolerated as a necessary evil and treated with interested courtesy.
6) THY is far from being the best European Airline as they love to call them self. Turkey hasn't and will probably never be able to fully understand what being European implies.
7) The company is still vastly under control of an ex- military mafia starting from flight ops management, protecting the local military pilots and keeping their seat warm until ready for the next CFIT by imposing absurd limitation on civilian pilots ( degree and 6 years ) while they can upgrade in two without speaking a word ( may be one ?) of English and with questionable attitude. Many would not pass a screening in any "real" airline.
8) G4RCE is an expat that has been involved by THY recruitment as they have no what so ever clue in trying to sell for gold what is actually is mostly lead.
9) TL has lost 33% of its value in one year. The country is in a constant political turmoil causing large, unpredictable fluctuations of its currency. Devaluation of 99% happened not so long ago.
10) Commuting on narrow body is impossible from Europe imagine from the US. Leave stands at 15 days , No leave first year. Moving your family to Istanbul impossible. Foreign schools are incredibly expensive ( starting from 15000 EUR per kid/year). THY does not offer any benefit.Two ID90 tickets month for eligible family members. Tureky inflation skyrocketing at 12% and Istanbul is more expensive than you think.
11) Of the initiial group of 350 pilots 77% is not working for THY anymore me included.
12) The job becomes acceptable if you are retired from other outfit looking for some last fun and extra bucks in Turkey but on wide body fleet.
The rest enjoy!!
Having sat in the back of TK aircraft more times than I care to remember, I can testify to the universal lack of English skills. How these guys manage to make themselves understood over the radio is a bit of a mystery.
Goo everin ladeees and jentlman, tjis sjur kaptains sperking. Velkom onbordss sis Airpus A320 aircrafts ...... It's literally enough to make your ears bleed, thank f&%k Bose invented the QC15 earphones!
Goo everin ladeees and jentlman, tjis sjur kaptains sperking. Velkom onbordss sis Airpus A320 aircrafts ...... It's literally enough to make your ears bleed, thank f&%k Bose invented the QC15 earphones!
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To me the most gruesome to the ears is the English accent, where they draw out the last syllable of a sentence. 'Please come and see me at the officeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee', 'We welcome you onboard this flight to Londonnnnnnnnnnnn'.
I have a Copenhagen accent, or rather an Amager accent, to be precise. It's not very pretty, but then again the language in itself is a bit of throat disease.
To me the most gruesome to the ears is the English accent, where they draw out the last syllable of a sentence. 'Please come and see me at the officeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee', 'We welcome you onboard this flight to Londonnnnnnnnnnnn'.
I have a Copenhagen accent, or rather an Amager accent, to be precise. It's not very pretty, but then again the language in itself is a bit of throat disease.
As long as they stay far, far away during the winter season, I'm happy.
One stopped visiting certain parts of the Med quite a few years ago, when the Russian invasion became intolerable. So it's not as if I'm racist; my dislike of this kind people is founded solely in their revolting behavior.
Do feel sorry for the average Austrian, who has to put up with their shyte in order to earn a living during the summer months.
One stopped visiting certain parts of the Med quite a few years ago, when the Russian invasion became intolerable. So it's not as if I'm racist; my dislike of this kind people is founded solely in their revolting behavior.
Do feel sorry for the average Austrian, who has to put up with their shyte in order to earn a living during the summer months.
