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Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?

Old 2nd May 2014, 10:28
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Some of the ones who went to SAS are trying to come back.
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Old 2nd May 2014, 12:58
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Over the years, I can count in one hand the number of people who have returned to FR for a second bout. I will add that three of the aforementioned left again, obviously having enjoyed the experience so much on the first occasion! All of those were Captains, two decided to go back to the RHS long haul jobs that they had initially left for.

I am aware of one ex-skipper in the ME who would come back, however only if all roads home became exhausted. Remember, there appears to be the increasing likelihood of former FR skippers who have migrated east being hired back west as DECs at Norwegian.

With a new Director of Flight Ops, the policy for returnees may change; especially relating to command ready FOs. It all depends how many bites of the carrot that they get I suppose?
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Old 2nd May 2014, 13:08
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The vast majority join RYR as a result of limited/no choice, i.e. newbies and no one can blame them.
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Old 2nd May 2014, 13:42
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A colleague has told me that one of his closest mates is hesitating between taking his Command (which is being offered on a take-it-or-leave- it Ryanair contract . . .no option to continue as a Contractor) or leave to join NAS.

His expected total net monthly will be 4200, I am assured this is accurate.

This being the case, and given that a Base Change to the ends of the earth is a foregone, I struggle to understand his hesitation.
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Old 2nd May 2014, 13:50
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4200 = 3500 That's a junior FO's take home in my lot, it's amazing he is even considering the option. Shocking.
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Old 2nd May 2014, 17:57
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Some sas new pilots are trying to get back to RYR, shurely, smoking dope is not legal in Sas, or in Ryr .

Btv. Not much standby lately as I have heared in Ryr, wetlease, is also a thing.
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Old 2nd May 2014, 22:18
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Blusdup, 2350 net, 2 weeks of layovers in rural scandinavian towns, company making huge losses and 15 years to command with practically no payrise... I can understand if they would rather go back and be upgraded within a year and live by the Mediterranean on a 5/4 and later join nas as a DEC.

Considering the way the terms and conditions have gone lately, even ryr is turning out to be a reasonable gig if you have an upcoming upgrade.
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Old 3rd May 2014, 08:51
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Somebody please explain to me:

If salaries in Europe are so poor why are you guys not doing commuting jobs in China?

I understand the medical issues but if you are a captain with reasonable experience under 40, the medical really should not be a problem for the majority. Simulator checking can be a problem as the Chinese have their own ideas but you can familiarize yourself with that, maybe have a go two or 3 times.

If you really need to be at home then negotiate with the Chinese agencies, you could probably work 1 week a month for 5000 euro's.

It is all certified tax paid at a rate of 40%. Leaves roughly nothing to pay in the UK.
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Old 3rd May 2014, 09:30
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Kungfu Panda, cash is not everything in life mate
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Old 3rd May 2014, 09:51
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Yes, well said. Spend 100,000 euro plus On your training then fly for free and fail to support your family. Very noble.
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Old 3rd May 2014, 10:45
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@PigeonVoyageur

"If this is genuine, I'll remove my previous post and submit my sincere apologies for having been completely wrong."

Check out the GTDaviation website and maybe hire a speechwriter for that big apology speech.
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Old 3rd May 2014, 11:46
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Those are totally ridiculous accusations Rex, I don't try to impose anything. The original post was a question of why wouldn't you take the better money with more time at home and quality of life that does not involve the serious permanent fatigue that Ryanair involves.

It baffles me that's all, not on any high horse or trying impose anything.
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Old 3rd May 2014, 18:18
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@Birdstrike737

Since last time, I've been following the news on the site and was waiting for the beginning of this month since this was the target date. No need to hire a speechwriter for this simple thing.

Since it looks like a genuine endeavour, I submit my sincere apologies towards the originators of this endeavour and to all Ryanair pilots. And as stated, I'm removing my disagreeable post.

As I stated in a later post, I'm all for any idea which can bring better T&C for Ryanair pilots and I wish them all success.
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Old 12th May 2014, 11:57
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Hi guys, sorry the thread regarding Ryanair base placement has gone so just wanted to ask what basis are most popular outside the UK and Ireland. Is it hard to get a base on one of the Canary Islands or Majorca etc.? Or do people prefer busy central European bases?? Thanks guys.
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Old 12th May 2014, 13:31
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Reading the thread I would think that the non Ryanair bases are the most popular...
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Old 12th May 2014, 13:40
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Panda, the costs of training and qualification in the EU are going to be a constant, whether you subsequently fly there or go to the far east, so that has no bearing on the matter. Further more, you bring up P2F. While I find the idea abhorrent and have disdain for those who do it (airlines and pilots alike), those pilots who feel they need to go that route are not going to be eligible for the far east jobs either, so again, your argument is flawed, especially by the fact that it's not RYR but EZY who do it. Finally, there are many, many people who are flying from a base near their family home on stable roster with plenty of family time. The money they earn is only a little less than the Chinese contracts and a lot more than most other contract jobs without the issues of crazy medicals, living away from family for extended periods, working in racist companies and living in a crap hole. So yes, a lot of the guys will work for an employer they hate because it is better for their family.

Some of the newest people in EU companies have problems with basings, but they are at least on the right continent and able to position for free. Your "run away to the far east" agenda is a preposterous idea to all but the most disaffected. Your arguments are entirely illogical and your lack of knowledge astounding for someone so opinionated.
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Old 12th May 2014, 13:48
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I would rather work in a supermarket than move to China. What is the point of having a family if you become a stranger?. Thread drift sorry.
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Old 12th May 2014, 13:53
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Any Ryanair guys can shed some light on my above question re bases can you pm me, sick of hearing of anti Ryanair crap, I just wanted some information!! Thanks guys
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Old 12th May 2014, 14:07
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If you don't want to hear "anti Ryanair [email protected]" I would suggest asking the Q on REPA/RPG. . . but , I guess there is a slight danger you might find anti Ryanair [email protected] there too.

But, you sound like a happy little camper, so, I am sure the caring personnel Dept will be only too happy to take the time to personally answer your query in detail, and in due course make every effort so that you may be allocated your base of choice in a timely manner, thereby ensuring your lifestyle & welfare meet the high standards enjoyed by so many of your colleagues.
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Old 12th May 2014, 14:14
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Thanks captplaystation, I am indeed a happy little camper, was just eager to get some info.
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