Important meetings held in Oslo by US and EU pilot unions
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It sure will bring some turmoil with the competition, may the best man win. As for employment T&C's, people vote with their feet. Poor conditions will make the model long term possibilities less interesting... unless of course a herd of wannabees spoil the party with the idea of shoving hundreds of thousands for P2F.
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I wish them the best of luck, but long low fares has never worked, even the famous Irish Airline hasn't ventured further than a colourful news conference in Germany some years back 
Reliable 777's might just work, but it requires very deep pockets to set up even a basic route network. In my opinion the airline alliances have got the atlantic sown up.
Reliable 777's might just work, but it requires very deep pockets to set up even a basic route network. In my opinion the airline alliances have got the atlantic sown up.
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Well the jury is still out, but and its a big but i suspect this might just work for Norwegian, having flown with them on European routes a couple of times i think it might just work, it didn't feel low rent, its difficult to put a finger on why but, as other have said its way above what you get from easyJet, Monarch, Jet2 let alone Ryanair, it just goes to show what can be done, i've to fly on their long haul flights, but have tickets booked from LGW later this year.
I do understand the concerns of pilot groups that feel threatened, but you can't stand in the way of progress and i gather that Norwegian have had their approval for an Irish AOC granted.
I do understand the concerns of pilot groups that feel threatened, but you can't stand in the way of progress and i gather that Norwegian have had their approval for an Irish AOC granted.
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...but you can't stand in the way of progress...
I assume you mean that if the 'progress' is an improvement then it should proceed unhindered. This is not a comment just about this situation or aviation in general; it could be applied to transport industries, health industries, engineering industries etc. It then becomes a question of who decides if it is an improvement for all concerned and not just the money men.
Robots in car manufacturing put a lot of people out of work. Has it produced better cars at a cheaper price? Has the working environment of the car builders improved? Has it increased the financial strength of the companies? I suspect it is yes to all 3. Thus there has been an overall benefit to all involved in the chain of car manufacturing & sales. Sadly there were many sacrificial lambs.
In the aviation scenario it seems likely it is driven only by money/profit etc. Will it have any detrimental effect on safety, passenger experience? It should not in the former and they will vote with their feet if it does in the latter. From the avoidance of sacrificial lambs point of view freedom of movement of labour within EU is an accepted fact. The governments of EU countries have a duty of care to not allow their citizens to be effected detrimentally by losing jobs to outsiders. The USA & green card system has been doing that for decades, as have other countries. That is to an accepted fact. Will this move by NAS fly in the face of that philosophy? I do not have enough information to make a categoric decision. We should be able to trust the powers that be to have a strong oversight and to carry out their duty of care, but if the governments leave it purely up to the XAA's to issue an AOC yes or no, then the outcome might be not what is best. The XAA's are not there to protect local jobs but oversee and decide on the suitability and legality of XYZ to operate within their territory and dot the i's & cross all the t's. Work permits are not their remit.
Perhaps the various unions are trying to wake up the conscience of the governments. Are they fighting a lost cause and will 'progress' march on? We wait and see, but it should not be a call made on allowing a company to increase its profits at the expense of the local citizens of all the EU countries involved. Flags of convenience should not feature in EU operations.
I assume you mean that if the 'progress' is an improvement then it should proceed unhindered. This is not a comment just about this situation or aviation in general; it could be applied to transport industries, health industries, engineering industries etc. It then becomes a question of who decides if it is an improvement for all concerned and not just the money men.
Robots in car manufacturing put a lot of people out of work. Has it produced better cars at a cheaper price? Has the working environment of the car builders improved? Has it increased the financial strength of the companies? I suspect it is yes to all 3. Thus there has been an overall benefit to all involved in the chain of car manufacturing & sales. Sadly there were many sacrificial lambs.
In the aviation scenario it seems likely it is driven only by money/profit etc. Will it have any detrimental effect on safety, passenger experience? It should not in the former and they will vote with their feet if it does in the latter. From the avoidance of sacrificial lambs point of view freedom of movement of labour within EU is an accepted fact. The governments of EU countries have a duty of care to not allow their citizens to be effected detrimentally by losing jobs to outsiders. The USA & green card system has been doing that for decades, as have other countries. That is to an accepted fact. Will this move by NAS fly in the face of that philosophy? I do not have enough information to make a categoric decision. We should be able to trust the powers that be to have a strong oversight and to carry out their duty of care, but if the governments leave it purely up to the XAA's to issue an AOC yes or no, then the outcome might be not what is best. The XAA's are not there to protect local jobs but oversee and decide on the suitability and legality of XYZ to operate within their territory and dot the i's & cross all the t's. Work permits are not their remit.
Perhaps the various unions are trying to wake up the conscience of the governments. Are they fighting a lost cause and will 'progress' march on? We wait and see, but it should not be a call made on allowing a company to increase its profits at the expense of the local citizens of all the EU countries involved. Flags of convenience should not feature in EU operations.
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Yes i think that sums it up well.
Finland used to export tar used for sealing wooden sailing ship, the onset of steel hulled ship sealed the fate of that industry and its workers.
The European car industry could have gone the same way had it not ben for the Germans and more lately Jaguar Land Rover group in the UK, the French tried to prevent Japanese cars coming in to protect the French car industry, they remain loss making and by and large are crap.
I can't comment on the Norwegian long haul contract, but i understand the 738 fleet is a good place to work.
What customers want is safe cheap flight and a reasonable standard of customer service, clearly Ryanair tested the very bottom run of customer care and have now decided that beyond a point there is no money in it and are working to improve their offering and should be commended for doing so.
Finland used to export tar used for sealing wooden sailing ship, the onset of steel hulled ship sealed the fate of that industry and its workers.
The European car industry could have gone the same way had it not ben for the Germans and more lately Jaguar Land Rover group in the UK, the French tried to prevent Japanese cars coming in to protect the French car industry, they remain loss making and by and large are crap.
I can't comment on the Norwegian long haul contract, but i understand the 738 fleet is a good place to work.
What customers want is safe cheap flight and a reasonable standard of customer service, clearly Ryanair tested the very bottom run of customer care and have now decided that beyond a point there is no money in it and are working to improve their offering and should be commended for doing so.
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Norwegian Long Haul granted Irish AOC
Well i think its very unlikely that the US will not grant route licences to Norwegian Long Haul now that they are fully compliant with EU open skies with the US.
Well i think its very unlikely that the US will not grant route licences to Norwegian Long Haul now that they are fully compliant with EU open skies with the US.
LNIDA -
Norwegian Long Haul granted Irish AOC
Well i think its very unlikely that the US will not grant route licences to Norwegian Long Haul now that they are fully compliant with EU open skies with the US.
Norwegian Long Haul granted Irish AOC
Well i think its very unlikely that the US will not grant route licences to Norwegian Long Haul now that they are fully compliant with EU open skies with the US.
Where to next ....... The Congo perhaps ?
LNIDA - The Irish may see it differently, in any event market force's drive pay rates not protectionism from the land of the free.
The COS on the NLH contract are abysmal - you actually thought that not paying for your own recurrent training was worth mentioning as a positive in the contract. The "market forces" excuse for poor renumeration has been the bread and butter of bottom dwelling airline managers for decades.
Even Ryanair are figuring out that a poor reputation can do significant damage. Unlike Ryanair, NLH isn't making money.
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I know it's off topic, but give this young trainee a bit of hope for his future!
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Nope unless it affects "them" than they will pretend in the media to care about "you" All these years before they could not care less Now it is going to affect "them" and low and behold they acknowledge our existence Guess what we were always here struggling to make ends meet. Where was the outrage than?
