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But we always have had them, the peak summer months, July and August.
It doesnt mean we are short of crews, it means our aircraft are fully deployed and we need a bit of extra for the peak. Makes sense to me, certainly doesnt deserve the headline that we are short of crews!
It doesnt mean we are short of crews, it means our aircraft are fully deployed and we need a bit of extra for the peak. Makes sense to me, certainly doesnt deserve the headline that we are short of crews!
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RexBanner - no one really knows (at least no one in the regular pilot community). It is my sincere hope that we put right what we got wrong last year and take on the 40 guys who we offered jobs to and then promptly rescinded their offers. I have no idea what the plan is, but it is undoubtedly true that there are a lot of cadets coming through the system right now. Time will tell what else happens.
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DollComber - very sad to hear that. It appears that we are not taking any non-rated pilots this year, which is a huge disappointment given last year's recruitment debacle. I cannot justify the unjustifiable, which this is. Very disappointed.
Ut Sementem Feeceris
Back to the cadet fest then. Normal operations resume.
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It would appear that way.
As one eminent poster points out, it's a great place to be if you're a captain (or TRE), earning up to £160,000 and all sorts of bonuses, share schemes and previous enrichment policies.
It is just as bad as anywhere else when you're setting out in your career though IMHO. Hourly pay and a long probation period initially, then a possible pay cut to ensure a permanent contract. Strange days indeed.
I wholeheartedly believe that Carolyn McCall needs to look in the mirror, as a prominent CEO of a supposedly enlightened organisation, and ensure that those previously offered positions are granted them in this round of recruitment. It would cost very little and would be of great moral (and morale) benefit. She has the power to ensure this happens.
A fish rots from the head down.
As one eminent poster points out, it's a great place to be if you're a captain (or TRE), earning up to £160,000 and all sorts of bonuses, share schemes and previous enrichment policies.
It is just as bad as anywhere else when you're setting out in your career though IMHO. Hourly pay and a long probation period initially, then a possible pay cut to ensure a permanent contract. Strange days indeed.
I wholeheartedly believe that Carolyn McCall needs to look in the mirror, as a prominent CEO of a supposedly enlightened organisation, and ensure that those previously offered positions are granted them in this round of recruitment. It would cost very little and would be of great moral (and morale) benefit. She has the power to ensure this happens.
A fish rots from the head down.
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Unless Easy explicitly says TR only or Cadets only, which as far as I am aware they have not, its all speculation what is being written here as far as I am concerned.
There is still a chance for NonTr, living in hope thats all.
There is still a chance for NonTr, living in hope thats all.
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I wholeheartedly believe that Carolyn McCall needs to look in the mirror, as a prominent CEO of a supposedly enlightened organisation, and ensure that those previously offered positions are granted them in this round of recruitment. It would cost very little and would be of great moral (and morale) benefit. She has the power to ensure this happens.
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WingSwinger.
No. I'm a captain elsewhere.
I did turn down a DEC with easyJet a few years back and still retain an interest in the industry in general.
It would seem honourable for a vastly profitable FTSE100 company to stand by their written word.
Once again, that is of course, only IMHO.
No. I'm a captain elsewhere.
I did turn down a DEC with easyJet a few years back and still retain an interest in the industry in general.
It would seem honourable for a vastly profitable FTSE100 company to stand by their written word.
Once again, that is of course, only IMHO.
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Narrow R,
some if of not all of those offers I believe were an internal process error and caused by a change in the recruitment system. manyI believe would never have been offered positions under the old system.
I still have a letter offering me a job with British Caledonian a few weeks before BA gobbled them up - maybe I should write to Willie Walsh and ask him for my 380 command!
some if of not all of those offers I believe were an internal process error and caused by a change in the recruitment system. manyI believe would never have been offered positions under the old system.
I still have a letter offering me a job with British Caledonian a few weeks before BA gobbled them up - maybe I should write to Willie Walsh and ask him for my 380 command!
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Cartman,
Entirely different circumstances.
The airline you were offered a job by were, a few weeks later, a part of history. And that was in 1988. To draw a comparison to this is somewhat disingenuous. Again, IMHO only.
I once received a letter from jmc Airlines telling me I didn't have enough experience for an interview....... a year after passing my initial line check for them.
So, strange admin errors happen.
However, on what basis do you think there was an internal error that now deprives these guys their chance? Perhaps you could share the information? I am fairly sure there are 30 or so interested parties to your inside information.
Entirely different circumstances.
The airline you were offered a job by were, a few weeks later, a part of history. And that was in 1988. To draw a comparison to this is somewhat disingenuous. Again, IMHO only.
I once received a letter from jmc Airlines telling me I didn't have enough experience for an interview....... a year after passing my initial line check for them.
So, strange admin errors happen.
However, on what basis do you think there was an internal error that now deprives these guys their chance? Perhaps you could share the information? I am fairly sure there are 30 or so interested parties to your inside information.
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Cartman's Lovechild. Seeing as you are evidently someone who is more enlightened than myself (who has first hand knowledge of what went on last year and went through all of it) could you please explain to me the following?
1) A telephone call from HR after the assessment day to congratulate me on my performance and to book a simulator assessment at CTC in Southampton.
2) Another telephone call roughly a week after the sim assessment to again congratulate me on my standard, offer me a job and confirm my base choices.
What part of either or both of these occurrences, in your learned opinion, constitutes an internal processing error/an offer that should never have been made because I wasn't up to standard?
I await your reply.
I'm only asking because I very much doubt that, out of 40 people, I was the only person that this sequence of events happened to. As far as I'm led to believe it was simply a last minute change to the numbers required as Alexander De Meerkat has previously described, a genuine error and not something more sinister.
(I'm actually still in the pool but I'm taking it upon myself to speak out on behalf of the non rated guys who unfortunately missed out this time because your crass comments that their success in a highly competitive and multi layered recruitment process was merely the result of a processing error is not only unfounded but liable to offend and upset those people at a sensitive time.)
1) A telephone call from HR after the assessment day to congratulate me on my performance and to book a simulator assessment at CTC in Southampton.
2) Another telephone call roughly a week after the sim assessment to again congratulate me on my standard, offer me a job and confirm my base choices.
What part of either or both of these occurrences, in your learned opinion, constitutes an internal processing error/an offer that should never have been made because I wasn't up to standard?
I await your reply.
I'm only asking because I very much doubt that, out of 40 people, I was the only person that this sequence of events happened to. As far as I'm led to believe it was simply a last minute change to the numbers required as Alexander De Meerkat has previously described, a genuine error and not something more sinister.
(I'm actually still in the pool but I'm taking it upon myself to speak out on behalf of the non rated guys who unfortunately missed out this time because your crass comments that their success in a highly competitive and multi layered recruitment process was merely the result of a processing error is not only unfounded but liable to offend and upset those people at a sensitive time.)
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Sadly while easyjet has a number of good points sticking to agreements is not one of them. Easyjet management beleive that the words "low cost" are a magic spell that allows them to ignore any and all agreements when it suits them.
You found out quicker than most but it is something you would have found out pretty soon anyway.
You found out quicker than most but it is something you would have found out pretty soon anyway.
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Elephant and Castle I should hopefully still be joining them later on this year. But it is abundantly clear that easyJet simply cannot win with the whingers on pprune. Let's imagine a scenario whereby they decided to bin the rated people in the pool instead of the non rated. Only going to take self funded non rated people from now on. Would this satisfy everybody? Or would there be, as I very much suspect there would be, mass conspiracy theories left right and centre on pprune about how they were only taking these people so that they could ensure CTC millions of pounds in income through self funded type ratings? If they're all about the bottom dollar and in bed with CTC why wouldn't they do exactly that? There's always going to be accusations of a hidden agenda.
What happened was extremely unfortunate but I very much doubt they intentionally set out to deceive people and ultimately let them down.
What happened was extremely unfortunate but I very much doubt they intentionally set out to deceive people and ultimately let them down.
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As one who has often championed easyJet's cause, and been much criticised for doing so, I have to say that I cannot condone what has happened here. Contrary to the statements of the conspiracy theorists, I do not believe there is some secret scheme in place to ruin peoples' lives or to raise their hopes only to disappoint them at the worst possible moment. Nonetheless, I do believe that what has happened here is very poor form indeed. This latest email was at least personal, which is more than the previous ones were. This round of recruitment is, in all honesty, an embarrassment due to the succession of errors made by people who should have known better. The reality is that job offers were made, which should never have happened, and consequently the 'pilot recruitment team' had to rescind them when they discovered they had not got the authority to make them. It is not rocket science. An e-mail as follows should have gone out along the following lines -
'Congratulations Mr Bloggs, you have passed the selection but due to an excess of suitable candidates for a limited number of vacancies we cannot offer you a pilot job immediately. Your name will be held in a holding pool for 6 months and should a suitable vacancy arise in that time you will be offered it. If after that time we are still unable to offer you a position, your name will be removed for our files and you will have to re-apply for any future pilot vacancies using the full recruitment process in place at that stage. Please accept our sincere apologies for the uncertainty this generates, but we cannot be more specific until our final recruitment targets for the coming year have been finalised. In the meantime, we strongly advise you not to turn down any other career opportunities in the hope that easyJet will offer you employment in the future, as we cannot make any firm offers or guarantees at this time. Thanks etc.....'
That took two minutes to think up and would have saved enormous hurt and pain to many people. What we have done is simply disgraceful and is inexcusable. As a slight aside I am not quite sure why we care if people are type-rated or not. We are making the applicants pay the entire cost of the rating and are sending business the way of our pilot training organisation, while not getting involved with the money aspects of things. The problem with our type-rated policy is that it discludes a vast number of high quality candidates who have frankly more to offer than some of the type-rated people we take. There have been some guys from high quality companies too, but I see no real gain for us one way or the other. I have to profess to being very disappointed with what has unfolded here, particularly as I know personally some of those who have been let down. In truth, once you are through the door of easyJet, you tend to deal with some very high quality people, but that is no consolation for those who have been affected by this situation.
'Congratulations Mr Bloggs, you have passed the selection but due to an excess of suitable candidates for a limited number of vacancies we cannot offer you a pilot job immediately. Your name will be held in a holding pool for 6 months and should a suitable vacancy arise in that time you will be offered it. If after that time we are still unable to offer you a position, your name will be removed for our files and you will have to re-apply for any future pilot vacancies using the full recruitment process in place at that stage. Please accept our sincere apologies for the uncertainty this generates, but we cannot be more specific until our final recruitment targets for the coming year have been finalised. In the meantime, we strongly advise you not to turn down any other career opportunities in the hope that easyJet will offer you employment in the future, as we cannot make any firm offers or guarantees at this time. Thanks etc.....'
That took two minutes to think up and would have saved enormous hurt and pain to many people. What we have done is simply disgraceful and is inexcusable. As a slight aside I am not quite sure why we care if people are type-rated or not. We are making the applicants pay the entire cost of the rating and are sending business the way of our pilot training organisation, while not getting involved with the money aspects of things. The problem with our type-rated policy is that it discludes a vast number of high quality candidates who have frankly more to offer than some of the type-rated people we take. There have been some guys from high quality companies too, but I see no real gain for us one way or the other. I have to profess to being very disappointed with what has unfolded here, particularly as I know personally some of those who have been let down. In truth, once you are through the door of easyJet, you tend to deal with some very high quality people, but that is no consolation for those who have been affected by this situation.
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