BA recruitment retread
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I see it's all gone quite on the recruitment front; which I suspect funnily enough is because there won't be any non cadet recruitment for the foreseeable future, every new plane appears to be replacing an old banger and the retirement exodus doesn't seem to have come to fruition as the old boy network props up their pension schemes.
I found myself in the unenviable position of passing the 1st stage of selection and being told to reapply when the bmi merger went from idle speculation to horrible reality. Can anyone here offer any hope to a slightly jaded and frustrated individual regarding the recruitment potential in BA?
I found myself in the unenviable position of passing the 1st stage of selection and being told to reapply when the bmi merger went from idle speculation to horrible reality. Can anyone here offer any hope to a slightly jaded and frustrated individual regarding the recruitment potential in BA?
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Feel your pain! Passed sim check the booted out of the pool and now unable to apply as the goal posts moved. Chucked the towel in as far as BA goes for me
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Recently received the thanks for everything but unfortunately you have drowned in our hold pool email.
Suggested they hoped I'd reapply for a future campaign IF I fitted the criteria for application. More non committal than those in the 2008 pool who were 'fast tracked' into the process commencing in 2010. Unfortunately a few of those poor buggers drowned in this pool also!
Some guys within BA suggest DEPs will be needed again in a year, however with SH becoming exclusively Airbus and enough internals able to bid on to LH you might be a bit
if you have anything other than a Toulouse based airframer on your licence? Type steaming was the way of the previous campaign however there were considerable numbers involved. OCCs are considerably less of a burden than full type ratings to any training department. They're also considerably cheaper.
Suggested they hoped I'd reapply for a future campaign IF I fitted the criteria for application. More non committal than those in the 2008 pool who were 'fast tracked' into the process commencing in 2010. Unfortunately a few of those poor buggers drowned in this pool also!
Some guys within BA suggest DEPs will be needed again in a year, however with SH becoming exclusively Airbus and enough internals able to bid on to LH you might be a bit
if you have anything other than a Toulouse based airframer on your licence? Type steaming was the way of the previous campaign however there were considerable numbers involved. OCCs are considerably less of a burden than full type ratings to any training department. They're also considerably cheaper.
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DEP will always factor. FPP isn't good enough alone.
As for growth, the hulls are coming, growth depends upon how quickly old hulls are retired. At the moment it isn't certain that the gain/replacement is going to run at 1:1.
Retirements have been a known factor since 2006. Those of us who were 'realistic' never followed the companies 'logarithmic' retirement graph from 55 to 65 and, sure enough, most stayed on. There is a bulge at the top that will have to start moving from 2016 onwards.
As for growth, the hulls are coming, growth depends upon how quickly old hulls are retired. At the moment it isn't certain that the gain/replacement is going to run at 1:1.
Retirements have been a known factor since 2006. Those of us who were 'realistic' never followed the companies 'logarithmic' retirement graph from 55 to 65 and, sure enough, most stayed on. There is a bulge at the top that will have to start moving from 2016 onwards.
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Also a lot more people are hanging on due to the world financial situation - I know people who, in say the mid 00's , who would have gone by now and started their own small business or lived on their pensions & invetsments. But it's very cold outside and interest rates are close to zero on a lot of ISA's and plans
It's a logical move to hang on to the bitter end - things outside may have improved by then
It's a logical move to hang on to the bitter end - things outside may have improved by then
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Amazing how badly BA treat potential employees. Getting in appears to be like a quest for the holy grail, and then to be dumped without hope.
I know a few guys who went through the process twice, that would require a loss of dignity I imagine.
I know a few guys who went through the process twice, that would require a loss of dignity I imagine.
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A loss of dignity?
Having been through the BA recruitment system twice, I wouldn't say getting in second time was a loss of dignity. Been in 2 years now, count my self very lucky and I enjoy every minute. I am sure DEP will happen again soon.
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Whilst your tale is commendable Benjamin, I reckon the OP is directing his comments towards those who passed the DEP process twice and didn't achieve a position? They do exist unfortunately, not the fault of the recruiters I might add.
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Management quote on Day 1 Q and A session c. Sept 2011:
"...what happened to the hold pool in 2008 will not happen again...."
Hmm. Really? Must have been a spam email I received last week then. The worlds favourite airline does not have the worlds favourite "fair recruiting" policy!
Subsequent efforts by several second timers to be a part of the solution and not the problem were quite abrubtly rebuffed. To the point of feeling like we were a nuisance in fact.
We asked for the empirical evidence of 18 month validity in science fact. No such answer was forthcoming. A number of other carriers, as many will know, do not employ an expiry period because it simply doesnt make sense.
Rant over.
"...what happened to the hold pool in 2008 will not happen again...."
Hmm. Really? Must have been a spam email I received last week then. The worlds favourite airline does not have the worlds favourite "fair recruiting" policy!
Subsequent efforts by several second timers to be a part of the solution and not the problem were quite abrubtly rebuffed. To the point of feeling like we were a nuisance in fact.
We asked for the empirical evidence of 18 month validity in science fact. No such answer was forthcoming. A number of other carriers, as many will know, do not employ an expiry period because it simply doesnt make sense.
Rant over.
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Unfortunately, BA is just a big machine with lots of processes, and a lot of departments with their say.
I guess the BMI acquisition threw everything off track; it gave BA too many pilots initially, and with the disposal of some of the BMI aircraft, and the cutting of several of their routes, the pilot surplus remains.
I can't understand how one month you are suitable for BA, and then next you are not. By this same logic, every BA pilot, indeed, every BA employee should be re-applying for their jobs every 12 months. No doubt someone with the bigger picture will come along and set me straight.
I guess the BMI acquisition threw everything off track; it gave BA too many pilots initially, and with the disposal of some of the BMI aircraft, and the cutting of several of their routes, the pilot surplus remains.
I can't understand how one month you are suitable for BA, and then next you are not. By this same logic, every BA pilot, indeed, every BA employee should be re-applying for their jobs every 12 months. No doubt someone with the bigger picture will come along and set me straight.
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Well I don't feel any loss of dignity. Completing the BA selection process isn't easy and I've done something very few BA pilots have achieved by passing it twice. Drowning a second time was certainly a blow, but given the circumstances...we were simply unlucky.
The preference towards TR'd and Cadet candidates was unfortunate, but if/when DEP returns it will be very interesting to see where we stand with BA. I understand from colleagues on the inside that the recruitment team are a decent bunch. Apparently Monarch are revisiting their Hold Pool from 2008 for their 'one-time drowners' so there's every reason to remain positive.
I'm quite happy in my current job, but given the opportunity I'll be back for round three.
The preference towards TR'd and Cadet candidates was unfortunate, but if/when DEP returns it will be very interesting to see where we stand with BA. I understand from colleagues on the inside that the recruitment team are a decent bunch. Apparently Monarch are revisiting their Hold Pool from 2008 for their 'one-time drowners' so there's every reason to remain positive.
I'm quite happy in my current job, but given the opportunity I'll be back for round three.
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"fade to grey" Loss of dignity??? 
I would not let my dignity get in the way if it meant I could get into BA, seriously, there are not many other companies that are better out there!
I would not let my dignity get in the way if it meant I could get into BA, seriously, there are not many other companies that are better out there!
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It's all a voluntary process, there is no compunction to put yourself through the mill if your dignity is so precious. You don't have to join BA. It is unfortunate for those who have "drowned" while in the hold pool, but it is not as if they were ever given job offers that we're reneged upon.
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Hmmm ok, I still feel mighty upset if I'd been through their procedure twice.
My first question would be , ' Are you going to waste my time again ?'.
But then again I say it straight.
As for all the bleeding about bmi getting in .... I have a friend who was from bmi and a top bloke . Another ex colleague was such an unpleasant character with a messiah complex no one wanted to work with him and he sailed in.
So don't make out its not flawed and infallible .
My first question would be , ' Are you going to waste my time again ?'.
But then again I say it straight.
As for all the bleeding about bmi getting in .... I have a friend who was from bmi and a top bloke . Another ex colleague was such an unpleasant character with a messiah complex no one wanted to work with him and he sailed in.
So don't make out its not flawed and infallible .
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Nope..2016 is not a mass exodus for retirement unfortunately.there is merely a trickle from now for the next few years.add to that the BMI pilots and future pilot prog cadets who are arriving soon, BA is actually experiencing a surplus.notification was sent today that unpaid leave is available from October for 3 months.That is fact.
But the industry is fluid and who knows what the future holds. But that is the position as of today chaps
But the industry is fluid and who knows what the future holds. But that is the position as of today chaps
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There will be no "mass exodus" in 2016 BUT those pilots that stayed beyond 55 when the law changed in 2006 will start to hit the 65 age limit. Retirements will start to pick up again. So while there will be no exodus, the stagnation that has characterised the last few years will start to ease. Furthermore over the next three years there will be a net increase in long haul hulls so there will start to be more posts available. Some of those will be taken by the FPP cadets, but not all.
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