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FLB and most of the above posts I totally agree with you! Hence my line about Compass is ok for rookies but useless for anyone experienced.
I was reacting toy your incorrect comment about CP which in my opinion was uncalled for.
I was reacting toy your incorrect comment about CP which in my opinion was uncalled for.
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...however once you become a pilot these tests are not good indicators as some of the tests require the experienced candidate to "unlearn" habits that have been ingrained in years of flying to pass the test. Add to this a Mathematics test aimed at school leavers and you have a system that discriminates against the the very experienced pilot.
Hmmm, so the very experienced pilot can't do basic mathematics?
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Compass testing may be a pain in the a**e, but as a hoop to jump through, surely no worse than learning about stable platform inertial sytems, or doppler nav. (Not that long ago in the ATPL syllabus!).
The real problem is allowing HR to let it get to this stage. When you start looking for summer staff in April, having been offered an ample supply of extremely well qualified and motivated people 6 months earlier, then surely, you can expect a few fairly tense interviews with management...
The real problem is allowing HR to let it get to this stage. When you start looking for summer staff in April, having been offered an ample supply of extremely well qualified and motivated people 6 months earlier, then surely, you can expect a few fairly tense interviews with management...
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When you encounter a set of FD bars that work in the opposite direction to the ones in the aircraft your mind has to adjust quite quickly to this, for the young computer generation this might be easy, for us old farts it takes a little more time.
As for the Maths it is much the same, a lot of this stuff I had not seen since I left school at 16 and so it takes time to get the brain into gear, the Maths I have to do on a day to day basis of course is a lot quicker.
16024 above refers to the compass test as a hoop to jump just like some of the stuff in the ATPL, I now understand that these are courses that you can buy to improve your score on the compass test, it is hardly a reliable test if the HR department don't know if the candidate has never seen the test before or has done the compass training course five times !
My opinions about the these tests set by Jet2 & others are largely based on observation of the poor results I have seen over the years in a number of airlines backed up by the research of the Scandinavian academic who ran a CRM course that I was on.
I have no axe to grind with Jet2 about the tests because as a direct result I have a much better job, so from my point of view the result was very satisfactory, what I do have an issue with is the aviation industry management not trusting the judgment of its own pilots and giving far too much time (and money) to those who push these inappropriate tests.
Any how five commercial type ratings including being curent on the B737 & A320 as I write can't be bad for someone who according to you can't add up !
As for the Maths it is much the same, a lot of this stuff I had not seen since I left school at 16 and so it takes time to get the brain into gear, the Maths I have to do on a day to day basis of course is a lot quicker.
16024 above refers to the compass test as a hoop to jump just like some of the stuff in the ATPL, I now understand that these are courses that you can buy to improve your score on the compass test, it is hardly a reliable test if the HR department don't know if the candidate has never seen the test before or has done the compass training course five times !
My opinions about the these tests set by Jet2 & others are largely based on observation of the poor results I have seen over the years in a number of airlines backed up by the research of the Scandinavian academic who ran a CRM course that I was on.
I have no axe to grind with Jet2 about the tests because as a direct result I have a much better job, so from my point of view the result was very satisfactory, what I do have an issue with is the aviation industry management not trusting the judgment of its own pilots and giving far too much time (and money) to those who push these inappropriate tests.
Any how five commercial type ratings including being curent on the B737 & A320 as I write can't be bad for someone who according to you can't add up !
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Yes, I know your mind has to adjust quickly, maybe that's the point! I did these very same compass tests not so long ago and despite having five TRs under my belt as well (so you can stick me in the old fart group and I actively hate computers) I managed to get the second highest score of the day.
Others who coped on the day included a Ryanair mate with six years experience and a BBJ captain with over twelve thousand hours on Boeings.
Notwithstanding the fact that I'd rather not have to do them and would rather have a chat and a coffee with the main man, like 16024 says, it's just a hoop to jump through.
There are those that can...
Others who coped on the day included a Ryanair mate with six years experience and a BBJ captain with over twelve thousand hours on Boeings.
Notwithstanding the fact that I'd rather not have to do them and would rather have a chat and a coffee with the main man, like 16024 says, it's just a hoop to jump through.
There are those that can...
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Putting Compass Testing aside, the point trying to be made with which I agree with is in Mid-March Jet2 are looking for pilots to start on April 03rd! Commercial added another line of flying or someone cocked the numbers up - either way, a good Flight Ops management team should have the ability to look at someone's CV and be able to judge whether the individual is a "known quantity" - hoop jumping yes, but in these circumstances given its a summer contract only, a complete waste of everyone's time IMHO!
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Oh dear, sounds like a serious stuff up by Jet2 here!
Good ol' Monty offered them all the Baby guys and gals on a plate and they stuffed it up then. What's that about chickens and roosting?
Good ol' Monty offered them all the Baby guys and gals on a plate and they stuffed it up then. What's that about chickens and roosting?
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My view has always been do whatever tests they need to tick the boxes. However, if you are an experienced pilot and fail, then into the sim for a check, that has the balance of keeping costs down and satisfying HR!
Just my tuppence worth.
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It probably didn't help that jet2 tried to be clever with start dates for the ex-baby pilots, meaning they ended up going for a sure thing elsewhere (Norwegian, the gulf, etc) and not telling jet2. Jet2 only found out that they weren't getting the pilot they thought they were when calling up with a start date, leading to scrabbling round for people to fill courses.
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The just like the last time!
I have seen this happen twice before, HR departments confidently telling the management that they have 400+ CV's on file and pilots are two a penny................... What the bright young things in HR fail to realise is that all the airlines in Europe and quite a few in Asia & the Gulf have the same CV's on file.
It only takes a small upturn in the industry to result in the CV pool drying up very quickly, the older members of the Jet2 pilot management would no doubt have known this but the veiw that the situation was as planned from the HR department clearly prevailed at board level.
Just like last time the HR department has shot its self in the foot, the only diference is that by inappropriate use of testing the HR luminarys seem to have left the gun selected to full automatic this time !
It only takes a small upturn in the industry to result in the CV pool drying up very quickly, the older members of the Jet2 pilot management would no doubt have known this but the veiw that the situation was as planned from the HR department clearly prevailed at board level.
Just like last time the HR department has shot its self in the foot, the only diference is that by inappropriate use of testing the HR luminarys seem to have left the gun selected to full automatic this time !
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Agreed JB007, A and C and Flying Wild.
Jet2 (and most others to be fair) have been asking for this scenario for some time and have taken advantage of an excess of somewhat desperately unfortunate pilots. The desperation has now swung 180 degrees. Some really good guys getting bizarrely rejected, many offered positions followed by subsequent attempts made to d*ck them around (hence them going elsewhere at the last minute), and a set of poor T's and C's has reaped it's results.
These first signs of the pilot pool drying up can only be a good thing.
Jet2 (and most others to be fair) have been asking for this scenario for some time and have taken advantage of an excess of somewhat desperately unfortunate pilots. The desperation has now swung 180 degrees. Some really good guys getting bizarrely rejected, many offered positions followed by subsequent attempts made to d*ck them around (hence them going elsewhere at the last minute), and a set of poor T's and C's has reaped it's results.
These first signs of the pilot pool drying up can only be a good thing.
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Hmm, yes but what if you have done the 777 thing, seen the midgets boxing in Manila and now just want to come home? I imagine the people talking about flying in China haven't tried it. There lays madness.
We all have our reasons and not all of them desperate. I wasn't.
Monarch and Easy are still too excited about CTC guys and Jet2 can be a refreshing change. It's not in the south I grant you.
The pilot managers at Jet2 are turning it around and away from HR and it'll be for the better
We all have our reasons and not all of them desperate. I wasn't.
Monarch and Easy are still too excited about CTC guys and Jet2 can be a refreshing change. It's not in the south I grant you.
The pilot managers at Jet2 are turning it around and away from HR and it'll be for the better
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Ok I'm rated and current, and have 5000 pic on 737 cl. Im in full time job but could be available but would have to look closely at what exactly is on offer? Anyone? I've seen a proposal sent by Parc but that didn't excite me much. Has any one got the definite T and C,s. is this summer only ? And I've heard they have dropped the compass test for experienced guys is this the case?
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There are other airlines who might fit your bill but what you need to avoid is Parc, this once reputable agency has let its game fall way behind the rest of the contracting industry.
