Non type rated easyjet recruitment?

[BusAirDriver]

I am tempted to say you are talking Monkeys!

So you are working in the company now with this contract?

[Count of Monte Bisto]

Enzo999 - there appears to be some aspects of easyJet you do not understand. The first is that we are literally inundated with thousands of applicants for a relatively small number of jobs. We can afford to pick and choose our FOs in particular. The second is that the cadets who come through the flight schools have historically done very well in easyJet. The reason for that is they go through a very careful selection process and are a known product. What they lack in experience is normally made up for in raw ability and a great willingness to learn. Our type-rated pilots who come from other airlines can be very good, but that is not always the case. It is particularly tricky if someone comes with their own ideas of how they want to do things - they quickly find that easyJet is a big follower of SOPs and unashamedly expects its pilots to embrace them. So to say that easyJet does not value experience is not correct - what they want is someone who wants to embrace our culture and values and be part of a team. It would also be true to say that easyJet does not see 6000+ Airbus hours on someone's CV and feel overwhelmed - we are equally interested in the attributes of the individual. It is a bit like a marriage - love gets you to the altar but to stay happily married you have to be dedicated and willing to compromise. Finally, if you feel you are 'better' than the contract that easyJet is offering you, that is fine, but do not expect to turn up here again a year or so later demanding a job because it may not happen. No one has a divine right to employment and it is a very competitive business.

Having worked here for many years, I am only too aware that easyJet is not a perfect employer. It is, however, overall a great place to be and most people enjoy it. We are probably not as good to work for as a national carrier, but we are a better gig than most of the loco's. We have been badly let down in the past by some appalling pilot recruitment blunders - people being offered jobs and then have those offers rescinded etc. I have personally felt deeply embarrassed at such events, and they do not reflect who we are and what working for easyJet is like. Once you are out of the clutches of the pilot recruitment world, life here is actually pretty good and the promises made to you are almost invariably kept. If you come here with a reasonable attitude, there is no reason why you should not have many happy years with us. EasyJet is not for everyone, but if you can put up with our little eccentricities then it can be great fun.

[Busbo]

According to The Scotsman, EasyJet are looking for more pilots for EDI and GLA.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/easyjet-launches-biggest-pilot-recruitment-drive-yet-1-4446903

As an easyJet outsider my understanding is that generally you can't get straight into these bases and the best you can hope for in the UK is LGW with a long wait on the transfer list. Could anyone shed any light in this? Personally I'm interested in DEC although I'm sure people in both seats will be reading this.

I presume that the news story actually means that whilst the Scottish bases may be getting bigger, they will be filled with transfers rather than new recruits.

[EGPFlyer]

No DEC into EDI or GLA... the waiting lists are too long but there are always FO positions each year in both

[monkey.tennis]

Originally Posted by BusAirDriver

I am tempted to say you are talking Monkeys!

So you are working in the company now with this contract?

I elected to stay in the hold pool and wait for my base of choice to become available but most of my interview buddies are just finishing line training on said contract. In this instance, you are incorrect.

[Nil further]

I can only echo what my esteemed colleague the Count has said .
Ezy is not perfect but if you want a well paid ,stable ,pilot job in Scotland you won't beat it I don't think .

No DEC in Scotland AFAIK but there is always lots of movement for the RHS positions .

No shortage of applicants either by all accounts .

[27/09]

Originally Posted by monkey.tennis

I elected to stay in the hold pool and wait for my base of choice to become available but most of my interview buddies are just finishing line training on said contract. In this instance, you are incorrect.

Isn't that a dumb move? Your mates have got their start getting experience and valuable Co-pilot time and as such making progress towards a command plus I guess they will get preference on any base vacancy over a new start, meanwhile you swim around in the hold pool going nowhere and face the possibility your base of choice won't become available.

I've seen it all before, a newbie electing to wait and then missing out, sometimes altogether when the music stops and recruitment grinds to a halt, which can happen for many reasons. SARS, GFC, etc.

[Enzo999]

Originally Posted by Count of Monte Bisto

Enzo999 - there appears to be some aspects of easyJet you do not understand. The first is that we are literally inundated with thousands of applicants for a relatively small number of jobs. We can afford to pick and choose our FOs in particular. The second is that the cadets who come through the flight schools have historically done very well in easyJet. The reason for that is they go through a very careful selection process and are a known product. What they lack in experience is normally made up for in raw ability and a great willingness to learn. Our type-rated pilots who come from other airlines can be very good, but that is not always the case. It is particularly tricky if someone comes with their own ideas of how they want to do things - they quickly find that easyJet is a big follower of SOPs and unashamedly expects its pilots to embrace them. So to say that easyJet does not value experience is not correct - what they want is someone who wants to embrace our culture and values and be part of a team. It would also be true to say that easyJet does not see 6000+ Airbus hours on someone's CV and feel overwhelmed - we are equally interested in the attributes of the individual. It is a bit like a marriage - love gets you to the altar but to stay happily married you have to be dedicated and willing to compromise. Finally, if you feel you are 'better' than the contract that easyJet is offering you, that is fine, but do not expect to turn up here again a year or so later demanding a job because it may not happen. No one has a divine right to employment and it is a very competitive business.

Having worked here for many years, I am only too aware that easyJet is not a perfect employer. It is, however, overall a great place to be and most people enjoy it. We are probably not as good to work for as a national carrier, but we are a better gig than most of the loco's. We have been badly let down in the past by some appalling pilot recruitment blunders - people being offered jobs and then have those offers rescinded etc. I have personally felt deeply embarrassed at such events, and they do not reflect who we are and what working for easyJet is like. Once you are out of the clutches of the pilot recruitment world, life here is actually pretty good and the promises made to you are almost invariably kept. If you come here with a reasonable attitude, there is no reason why you should not have many happy years with us. EasyJet is not for everyone, but if you can put up with our little eccentricities then it can be great fun.

With the greatest amount of respect I don't think there are many aspects of Easy I don't understand. My original point was they obviously don't value experience amoughst their FOs and nothing that has been said on here has made me change my views on that. You can give the party line all day long about cadets being full of "raw talent", follow SOPs perfectly and doing exactly as they are told Blah Blah Blah, but personally I think they are preferred because of the 9 million in revenue they will bring this year and the years of reduced pay untill they either leave to BA or make command (then the whole process starts again).

Anyway luckily for me BA did see some value in me (despit my lack of ability and talent compaired to a Cadet) so I have a good job, but there are lots who don't that will yet again miss out on an opportunity at Easy.

Anyway this could go around in circles for ever, and for the record I am not saying EasyJet are a bad place to work or a bad company, simply that they value profit more than the experience levels of FOs and maybe they are correct to (but to admit that opens up a huge can of worms for us all)!

[The Mixmaster]

EasyJet the epitome of corporate greed amongst airlines.

[Monarch Man]

I think people need a reality check here, the big Orange has always generated revenue off its prey, the events of the last 24 months or so have been the exception to the rule. The organisation would happily eat its young if it improved the stock holder value, the place is merely RYR without the mill owner Irish rules.
When GO was in existence.....that was another story entirely, that was a proper Low-cost airline.

[Wingswinger]

Originally Posted by The Mixmaster

EasyJet the epitome of corporate greed amongst airlines.

If I may be so bold that is a pointless comment as, almost by definition, all companies are greedy. For sure, once they are stock-market listed it's in their DNA. It has to be or the company will not survive.

[Kgn6]

First of all there have been quite a few experienced pilots employed at easyjet UK bases, both type rated and non type rated, with similar if not more experience than you quoted earlier. Remember experience is not the complete package. Just as BA likes to employ a certain type of candidate so does EZ. All airlines like to employ persons who will most fit in with their company culture. This might be where there is the disconnect is. Funny thing is that there has been quite a number of very experienced pilots who have been turned down by BA because they don't fit in with speed bird's culture, plus those who resign because they don't enjoy it there.
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of the BA pilot body products of their own cadet scheme?

Originally Posted by Enzo999

With the greatest amount of respect I don't think there are many aspects of Easy I don't understand. My original point was they obviously don't value experience amoughst their FOs and nothing that has been said on here has made me change my views on that. You can give the party line all day long about cadets being full of "raw talent", follow SOPs perfectly and doing exactly as they are told Blah Blah Blah, but personally I think they are preferred because of the 9 million in revenue they will bring this year and the years of reduced pay untill they either leave to BA or make command (then the whole process starts again).

Anyway luckily for me BA did see some value in me (despit my lack of ability and talent compaired to a Cadet) so I have a good job, but there are lots who don't that will yet again miss out on an opportunity at Easy.

Anyway this could go around in circles for ever, and for the record I am not saying EasyJet are a bad place to work or a bad company, simply that they value profit more than the experience levels of FOs and maybe they are correct to (but to admit that opens up a huge can of worms for us all)!

[drag king]

Our type-rated pilots who come from other airlines can be very good, but that is not always the case. It is particularly tricky if someone comes with their own ideas of how they want to do things - they quickly find that easyJet is a big follower of SOPs and unashamedly expects its pilots to embrace them.

So how have those coming from the likes of Vueling, Livingston, Windjet, Vistajet, etc (to name few but all...) managed to survive your grueling and flawless screening process?

You can give the party line all day long about cadets being full of "raw talent", follow SOPs perfectly and doing exactly as they are told Blah Blah Blah, but personally I think they are preferred because of the 9 million in revenue they will bring this year and the years of reduced pay untill they either leave to BA or make command (then the whole process starts again).

I think Enzo hit the nail on the head here, despite whatever your great leaders tell you to say. A notorious former DFO from a eJ-like TP operator in the UK once told me that his management was knocking his door every other day to implement this business model...pardon...TALENT-scouting procedure within their operation.

It looks like there is method in the madness...

[JaxofMarlow]

Kgn6.... Both I and Enzo were offered positions in eJ, Enzo twice. It is what we were offered that was the issue.

[Yupi]

Can anyone tell me if the DEC pay for Lisbon has changed at all in the the last few years? Still 95-105 k Euro? Their current add suggests more...approximately 130k Euro.

Also wondering about any specifics about roster, base changes, and general terms.
I am trying to get all the facts before applying for a NTR DEC in Lisbon. If there are any current pilots at EZ who can help me I would really appreciate it.

Cheers

[dirk85]

Portugal contract improved quite a lot in the last years.

[tmtxpress]

Could anyone shed some light on the DEFO for Gatwick and Luton? On the ad the SFO position is advertised to be 70000 pounds, should I be expecting to make that amount, or is that an optimistic figure? Also, what are the requirements for a SFO position vs a FO position?

Also, how is command upgrade looking for FOs in these bases? Am not expecting there to be a queue since they are hiring DECs at the same time, but just want to get an estimate as to when I could expect my upgrade after joining.

Thanks guys.

[dirk85]

I don't know the details of the UK contract, but for the upgrade, Luton or Gatwick are in general the most likely assigned bases. People from all the other base are sent there for the command. Always in demand of pilots there, and big turnover, with the european guys usually desperate to go back to the continent.

The command process is very long in easyJet, with the first steps starting six month after the employment start, assuming you have the required hours and your performance is up to standard. Some other stages can be completed only after one year and two sim events in the company.
I would not plan on less than 1,5 years from date of joining to the start of the line training of the command course, and that's already pushing it.

[CMDGreen]

Conditions

Hi ladies and gents,

I don't know if it has been discussed already or not but I didn't find the information.
Does Easyjet pay for your type rating if they hire you as NTR FO?
You already get payed during training, provided with accommodation etc?
Do you have a fixed roster pattern?
Any info is highly appreciated.
Thanks

[speedrestriction]

You pay up front.
You are salaried from day 1 of TR, accommodation is essentially part of the TR cost.
If it is Second Officer contract then it is a flat salary for Year 1 of something around £40k.
No fixed roster until Year 3 of permanent employment.