Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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450 jobs, 300 of which are cadets the majority of the remaining 150 will be DECs nice to see EasyJet valuing experienced FOs again!!!!! Bad luck to anyone who can actually fly a plane looks like you are on the scrap heap yet again, these cadets must be super talented!! Also if you are one of lucky 2 or 3 DFOs that get selected there is no mention of which contract you will go on to, Second Officer/First or Senior, I think we all know the answer!
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Right, that must be why EJ has been recruiting experienced FOs and Direct Entry Captains for the last few years then or maybe I imagined flying with all the experienced guys who joined as SFOs.
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450 and 300 are cadets the numbers speak for themselves! Defend it all you like, bottom line is people are missing out, myself included. Over the years I would loved to have worked for EJ and at times would have given my right 
for it. For various reasons I missed the whole EJ craz for cadets and have only ever tried getting in as a DFO (rated I might add), having passed selection twice and twice been fobbed off with seconds officer position or contract positions the whole thing pisses me off. For my personal curcirnstance EJ would be a perfect fit, short haul with no seniority list and UK bases. But I have a mortgage and two children my days of working for very little are well behind me!
All I asked in the past was they value my experience offer me a job that represents my 6000 hours Airbus time and in return I would give them the rest of my working career. One way or another I have ended up working for BA and now have to sit around for the next 10 years waiting my turn for command all the while Easy Cadets of a couple of years experience are getting command and that 145k salary!
The whole industry sucks, there are many people on here for whom it has worked out and that's great feel free to be smug. Remember your job is the one I want but have been unable to get, just don't pretend Easy Value experience because they very clearly don't. I don't suppose a ten fold increase in winter losses will do much to change their feeling either.
for it. For various reasons I missed the whole EJ craz for cadets and have only ever tried getting in as a DFO (rated I might add), having passed selection twice and twice been fobbed off with seconds officer position or contract positions the whole thing pisses me off. For my personal curcirnstance EJ would be a perfect fit, short haul with no seniority list and UK bases. But I have a mortgage and two children my days of working for very little are well behind me!All I asked in the past was they value my experience offer me a job that represents my 6000 hours Airbus time and in return I would give them the rest of my working career. One way or another I have ended up working for BA and now have to sit around for the next 10 years waiting my turn for command all the while Easy Cadets of a couple of years experience are getting command and that 145k salary!
The whole industry sucks, there are many people on here for whom it has worked out and that's great feel free to be smug. Remember your job is the one I want but have been unable to get, just don't pretend Easy Value experience because they very clearly don't. I don't suppose a ten fold increase in winter losses will do much to change their feeling either.
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I did not slag them off, I simply stated they don't value experience which is painfully obvious. And if you are British with all your family here and children in school here maybe just maybe it's a very big attraction. Italian or French or Portuguese or Spanish contracts might be of interest to some but not me I am afraid.
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What happens on one contract is very different to what is happening on all the other 6 contracts where experienced SFO and DEC recruitment is now much more common. While a non-UK base may not suit you, it doesn't mean that the contract practices are the same as you suggest with many of your posts. Having said that, I also know of colleagues who joined on UK SFO contracts from a number of UK airlines.
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Ok I appreciate your point. But the fact remains if you want a British base as an experienced FO you are not going to have much luck as my experiences would testify. Is it that crazy that a British person might expect reasonable contract in his home country from a British based company? Anyway your probably right in my case this ship has sailed so I should not waste my time commenting. I am how ever genuinely interested in any prospect of Direct Entry SFOs in the U.K. as that might be enough for me to reapply, but I can't see it ever happening and that's what anyoys me. It seems to me you are perfectly happy to discus EasyJet providing it's all positive, you can't get snippy at someone who offers a different experience and opinion to your own. Everything I have said has been based on my onw experiences and I will be the first to admit it has left me bitter.
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Trust me, I'm happy to discuss all the bad points but when people post something that just isn't true or, in your case, makes a statement which blankets the whole company whereas it's only a part and even then not 100% accurate I will comment for the sake of those looking to apply in the future.
As for the UK contracts, as I say, I know people who ended up on UK SFO contracts and I dare say this will happen again in the future as experience pools dry up.
Good luck to you with whatever comes in the future.
As for the UK contracts, as I say, I know people who ended up on UK SFO contracts and I dare say this will happen again in the future as experience pools dry up.
Good luck to you with whatever comes in the future.
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The company European wide is recruiting 66 percent of it pilots from flight schools! In a market packed with qualified guys and Alitalia Bankrupcy looming! Are you seriously telling me that my original statement that Easy place no value on experienced Fos is incorrect? They have a massive bias towards Cadets and this can be seen in the 66 percent, which is probably low compared to most years and it's done for the cost benefit nothing else. Defend it all you like but last year when BA recruited 400 people that figure was completely switched! Anyway you obviously don't want to see my point so we will have agree to disagree.
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I joined just a few months on a permanent f/o contract. Not in the UK.
But if I want to upgrade that's where I would probably end up in not more than a couple of years. Vast majority of upgrades end up in LGW anyway, so I wouldn't see the problem in your case.
But if I want to upgrade that's where I would probably end up in not more than a couple of years. Vast majority of upgrades end up in LGW anyway, so I wouldn't see the problem in your case.
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Ok. Thanks DarkSoldier. Certainly hasn't been the case and mine and Enzo's experience testify. Both over 5000 hours on type and offered contract or SO. Maybe things are changing ?
contract or SO. Maybe things are changing ?
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Maybe they are. At the moment it is more of a pilot's market than it has been in recent years. There is a lot of recruitment going on and a lot of movement between airlines. They have been losing guys to BA so maybe they have decided it is time to attract people who are unlikely to just up and leave if something better comes along. From what I understand I do not believe there were any selective offers - you did a matrix on your hours and depending on whether you hit the thresholds for rankings you were offered a contract based on that.
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Maybe now. But certainly not 2015/6 and before. I know what I was offered and if it had been permanent FO or SFO I would be there now. No matrix was applied unless the matrix required over 7000 hours TT and 5000 on Airbus.
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In many countries joining as SFO under easyJet contract is not possible, even if you have 20k hours on type.
But still, as an FO you would still make a more than decent salary, especially compared to the UK contract.
But still, as an FO you would still make a more than decent salary, especially compared to the UK contract.
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Most people in Ezy doesn't start up where they really want to be. They take the contract, dig their head in and do a good job while signing up to a transfer list, and once their name pops to the top, they move.
Many of us cannot be near our families as there are only bases in a few select countries, but this is the name of the game. Commuting is a option with Ezy and it is relatively easy to do, however it doesn't suit everybody.
If you are only satisfied with a job on your doorstep with excellent conditions, and where your past hard work is valued and acknowledged, then Easyjet is not a place you will enjoy. Here we are just numbers used to reach the bonus targets for those on the top, and they do not care a rats a*se how you are (they claim otherwise but this is the truth).
However, the tools are here to make it good for yourself, but it does require some flexibility and hard work.
Many of us cannot be near our families as there are only bases in a few select countries, but this is the name of the game. Commuting is a option with Ezy and it is relatively easy to do, however it doesn't suit everybody.
If you are only satisfied with a job on your doorstep with excellent conditions, and where your past hard work is valued and acknowledged, then Easyjet is not a place you will enjoy. Here we are just numbers used to reach the bonus targets for those on the top, and they do not care a rats a*se how you are (they claim otherwise but this is the truth).
However, the tools are here to make it good for yourself, but it does require some flexibility and hard work.
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UK base for experienced FO's are with regards to payscale, regardless of hours you have, even you have 10.000 hours and join as FO, you will be on the following payscale:
SO - 12 months
FO - 24 months
SFO
However if you have the factored hours of an SFO you will be able to call yourself a SFO and wear a uniform with 3 stripes, but you will be paid as the above mentioned scale.
There are bases outside the UK, where you will be able to join directly as an FO or SFO, however UK is not one of them.
But if you have the hours you can call yourself an SFO, have 3 stripes, but you will be paid as SO and FO for the first 36 months. No exception, this has been discussed up and down with BALPA in the past.
This is just the way it is, and if you get passed those first few years, then I would say easyJet is a great company to work for.
And they will give you your chance of upgrade pretty fast, no reason to be upset for this, if you have chosen to go to BA or other companies where you upgrade might take longer. However I know guys who joined BA, and after 18 months got their command upgrade as late as last year.
SO - 12 months
FO - 24 months
SFO
However if you have the factored hours of an SFO you will be able to call yourself a SFO and wear a uniform with 3 stripes, but you will be paid as the above mentioned scale.
There are bases outside the UK, where you will be able to join directly as an FO or SFO, however UK is not one of them.
But if you have the hours you can call yourself an SFO, have 3 stripes, but you will be paid as SO and FO for the first 36 months. No exception, this has been discussed up and down with BALPA in the past.
This is just the way it is, and if you get passed those first few years, then I would say easyJet is a great company to work for.
And they will give you your chance of upgrade pretty fast, no reason to be upset for this, if you have chosen to go to BA or other companies where you upgrade might take longer. However I know guys who joined BA, and after 18 months got their command upgrade as late as last year.