Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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He WILL have his command by the time he is 26 years old and reaches the required high standards.
There are a number who do not get a course allocated at their first attempt; there are a few who fail the course despite the efforts made to avoid such an occurrence and there are a few, very few, who falter after the course and are demoted.
Just bringing touch of reality to claims.
Edited to add: anyone earning captain's pay at EZY before his or her 30th birthday is doing very well indeed compared to the rest of the population considering that other young professionals of a similar age will not be earning anywhere near that figure. The problem is how to achieve greater in the 35 years which lie ahead. Or retire young. All depending, of course on the price and availability of oil in the mid 21st century!
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It is nonsensical to even bring into play what these new entrants MAY earn in 4,5 or 6 years time.
Far to much can, or could, happen in the intervening period.....including a new captain contract that easyJet could very likely choose to introduce.
It's up to individuals. If you can accept a FLEXI contract, then that is up to the individual.
I'm more disappointed that a company (that once again UPGRADED its profit forecast yesterday), doesn't see fit to employ ALL it's pilots on full time contracts from day one.
End of story as far as I'm concerned.
Far to much can, or could, happen in the intervening period.....including a new captain contract that easyJet could very likely choose to introduce.
It's up to individuals. If you can accept a FLEXI contract, then that is up to the individual.
I'm more disappointed that a company (that once again UPGRADED its profit forecast yesterday), doesn't see fit to employ ALL it's pilots on full time contracts from day one.
End of story as far as I'm concerned.
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Narrow,
The points you make are valid, and the rights/wrongs will be debated till the cows come home. However, I think the original point was that there is the potential for a new entrant to EZY now to be LHS in much sooner than if they joined TCX, TOM, BA - which in terms of total lifetime earnings / debt servicing can make a significant difference. We are planning on 100+ Commands this winter.....with steady, measured fleet expansion over the next few years .... so the opportunity is there.
The points you make are valid, and the rights/wrongs will be debated till the cows come home. However, I think the original point was that there is the potential for a new entrant to EZY now to be LHS in much sooner than if they joined TCX, TOM, BA - which in terms of total lifetime earnings / debt servicing can make a significant difference. We are planning on 100+ Commands this winter.....with steady, measured fleet expansion over the next few years .... so the opportunity is there.
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Can we just sum this up by saying if you want the job, take it! If not bye bye!. Easyjet is not perfect and yes I'm tired but it certainly is not the worst! Good luck whatever you.
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King Dong - you are in the wrong thread my friend. You don't want to work for easyJet and we don't want you to work here either. Good news for everyone. Bye Bye.
Antonov09 - if you get a great deal at Norwegian with a permanent contract, with a free uniform no less, after 2 years (why do people complain at easyJet's one year?) then good luck. Enjoy.
justagigolo77 - If you do not want to work for us that is absolutely fine. If you think that a salary package in excess of £100k per year is not sufficient to fund your chosen lifestyle then the airline industry is clearly not for you. I am not sure which cadets you are referring to who left because they were getting zero hours, but I do not know about them. As you may have observed, that does not seem to be a problem for our new entrants as the latest contracts given out were straight in at £38k, permanent and on Year Two of the NEC. Not good enough for you it would appear, but plenty good enough for everyone else as they seem to be accepting in their droves. Anyway, whichever bank it is you are working for paying £250k a year, I trust it is enjoyable. For the rest of us humble airline pilots, we will just soldier on trying to earn an honest crust in the skies above.
Antonov09 - if you get a great deal at Norwegian with a permanent contract, with a free uniform no less, after 2 years (why do people complain at easyJet's one year?) then good luck. Enjoy.
justagigolo77 - If you do not want to work for us that is absolutely fine. If you think that a salary package in excess of £100k per year is not sufficient to fund your chosen lifestyle then the airline industry is clearly not for you. I am not sure which cadets you are referring to who left because they were getting zero hours, but I do not know about them. As you may have observed, that does not seem to be a problem for our new entrants as the latest contracts given out were straight in at £38k, permanent and on Year Two of the NEC. Not good enough for you it would appear, but plenty good enough for everyone else as they seem to be accepting in their droves. Anyway, whichever bank it is you are working for paying £250k a year, I trust it is enjoyable. For the rest of us humble airline pilots, we will just soldier on trying to earn an honest crust in the skies above.
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You don't want to work for easyJet and we don't want you to work here either
Alexander de Meerkat, I will be sure to contact you when I need to renew my car insurance.
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I am not sure which cadets you are referring to who left because they were getting zero hours, but I do not know about them.
Oh I don't have kids, a mortgage or fancy new car and I was still struggling to live a life under the flexi scheme. Is it morally right for DEPs to accept such deal with a promise from you they may (but might not) be permanent after a year? I'm sorry but I would need more than a 99% chance to commit to being flexi screw for another year. Maybe the more prudent amongst us will wait a year and see how the new guys fair and if all is successful try again. After all there's no seniority list so if you have the hours for command now what harm will waiting another year or two make?
I think digressing and discussing cadets here is irrelevant. Yes the NEC offer is better than what I had when I was there and I think I would be grateful should I be entering at the current point. But this isn't about cadets is it? This is about experienced pilots whom are looking to further their career. Personally I think they are very low risk and deserve some respect with regards to a competitive offer from day one. Being competitive 4-6 years down the line has too many pitfalls. To start with no one here can guarantee T&Cs in the future so telling anyone what they'll earn as a Captain before they get there is irresponsible.
Others may well disagree with my opinion but I have worked for easyjet. I could see the disloyalty and left because I'm a very cynical person. One Captain even told me to leave when a better offer appeared because even he was so cynical about the future at eJ. We had some great conversations! For what it's worth I'm probably earning about £15k+ More per year gross at my current company. Compared to mates just transitioning to 75% perm contracts. Flying exactly the same aircraft, in the same way to the same places. So does easy still sound like a fantastic deal? Where's the icon for what a load of wan*?
If experienced guys really want my advice. Wait for another twelve months. I won't disagree easy is a good place to work with regards to crews and routes but that's about it. Hey if they don't stop expanding you'll have just as much opportunity next year.
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It looks as though I can't accept the offer made to me. £38k as a Second Officer and having to move to LGW, with no flight pay is not a suitable offer. I want to make it work but I physically can't with current commitments and the need to pay for a TR.
I know it's not all about the money and yes future prospects should be considered etc etc. But at the end of the day you have to make it work from day 1 and this offer won't allow me to make it through the first year.
I know it's not all about the money and yes future prospects should be considered etc etc. But at the end of the day you have to make it work from day 1 and this offer won't allow me to make it through the first year.
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ADM et al.
What garbage. The only reason this has been offered is because so many rejected the first pathetic effort at getting away with treating us like crap. Otherwise why did all those CTC contracts get offered first.
77W. I can only sympathise. 24k for a TR then 39k for the first year sadly isn't going to work for anyone with a responsible attitude to fiscal responsibility. Once accommodation is accounted for you would be working for free.
And I do chuckle at this "well if you dare to complain about it we don't want you' garbage. Translates as "if you don't bend over and do as we want and don't dare to complain about it then you too can join us in the race to the bottom.
Lisbon shows what this company wants to do to future terms and conditions. Please bear this in mind if you're making the move and doing the sums based on anything else.
Best of luck
What garbage. The only reason this has been offered is because so many rejected the first pathetic effort at getting away with treating us like crap. Otherwise why did all those CTC contracts get offered first.
77W. I can only sympathise. 24k for a TR then 39k for the first year sadly isn't going to work for anyone with a responsible attitude to fiscal responsibility. Once accommodation is accounted for you would be working for free.
And I do chuckle at this "well if you dare to complain about it we don't want you' garbage. Translates as "if you don't bend over and do as we want and don't dare to complain about it then you too can join us in the race to the bottom.
Lisbon shows what this company wants to do to future terms and conditions. Please bear this in mind if you're making the move and doing the sums based on anything else.
Best of luck
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Rosco,
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".
Mark those words for the coming deterioration in Captain terms and conditions in your fabulous airline.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".
Mark those words for the coming deterioration in Captain terms and conditions in your fabulous airline.
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Just watch and see.
You're not immune. In fact, you're very much at risk of things deteriorating.
I'd say it's pretty certain that as soon as all these NEC contract joiners are in, then the "new" captain contract will be proposed.
And guess what? All those experienced FO's who are joining now will have absolutely no concerns in leapfrogging the existing easyJet SFO's who will, naturally, be up in arms about the injustice of it all.
It's so obvious, I really can't believe you're all happy for it to happen. But happen it will.
You're not immune. In fact, you're very much at risk of things deteriorating.
I'd say it's pretty certain that as soon as all these NEC contract joiners are in, then the "new" captain contract will be proposed.
And guess what? All those experienced FO's who are joining now will have absolutely no concerns in leapfrogging the existing easyJet SFO's who will, naturally, be up in arms about the injustice of it all.
It's so obvious, I really can't believe you're all happy for it to happen. But happen it will.
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NR, people have been saying that for years and it might even happen one day. The fact is that whilst the management have taken liberties with new joiners, they havn't attempted to attack captain's T's and C's (with one exception which was swiftly repelled). Salaries have kept pace with inflation through the worst recession in living memory and have actually been significantly enhanced over the last two years by the addition of a profit based bonus scheme.
You could be right though. The future is hard to predict. The current contract might not be here in 10 years time. Easyjet might not be here in 10 years time. Either way you will become even more unbearable.
You could be right though. The future is hard to predict. The current contract might not be here in 10 years time. Easyjet might not be here in 10 years time. Either way you will become even more unbearable.
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Oh, Phensocks. I feel sorry for you. It's like you can't get over something.
Whyeye: I also feel sorry for you that you find my viewpoint so unbearable. For what it worth, enjoy the next 2 years before the rot has reached your exalted, untouchable position of captain.
Whyeye: I also feel sorry for you that you find my viewpoint so unbearable. For what it worth, enjoy the next 2 years before the rot has reached your exalted, untouchable position of captain.
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You've all heard of delusional optimists no doubt; this fellow is a psychopathic pessimist.
Both character traits should be ignored.
Both character traits should be ignored.
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You've all heard of delusional optimists no doubt;
character traits should be ignored.
And you have sound advice!
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In the midst of the Madhatter's Tea Party inhabited by Narrow Runway and Sk8erboi, I dare to hope that some rational discussion may yet prevail.
Sprinkles - I have some considerable sympathy for your position and I am genuinely sad you felt you had to leave. I do not know exactly who you are, but I suspect you are one of the guys who went off to Monarch, having become really hacked off with easyJet. In all honesty, I have always felt that going to Monarch was a bad move, but easyJet have to take some responsibility for creating the environment that made you all feel you had to leave. The simple truth is that your time here coincided with an increasingly vicious battle between the pilots and management that only came to an end with the NEC agreement. I fully accept it is not perfect and that there have been winners and losers from it. Considering the very difficult balancing act that BALPA have had to perform, I think they got the best deal they could have done without turning to industrial action. Had they done so then I do not believe they would have had sufficient support to go to a strike - they knew that and our management knew it too. Given that scenario they called off the dogs at just the right time. Although I could not personally cope with the Monarch SOPs, the deep night flying, the old aircraft (posh new ones coming some day soon they tell me) and a very uncertain financial future, I can see the attraction. They have somehow managed to make their pilots believe they are in a great company despite it all, and for that I can only commend them. It is not BA or Cathay, but there are a lot of pilots who like being there - difficult to knock, even if it is not my bag.
My own regret is that we managed to alienate so many of you when we just did not need to. We failed to show you from Day 1 that we were a genuine medium to long term option - inexcusable really. Nonetheless, times have changed and there is a permanent contract for all new joiners, and for that I rejoice. Despite the ramblings of Narrow Runway and his mad mates, the Captain contract is still 100% intact, which was a critical concession easyJet had to bite the bullet over. EasyJet is a great company to work for and it offers a range of opportunities that few airlines can match. Another key part of the whole attractiveness or otherwise is that, love it or hate it, you know from Day 1 what you will get paid and the exact details of the contract. For some of you it is not enough, and that is fine. My own view is that anyone who comes here looking to make it work will have a great chance of a fantastic career. If it is not for you then that by all means go elsewhere. if you have a better job in the offing then I am sure you will take it. Good luck.
Sprinkles - I have some considerable sympathy for your position and I am genuinely sad you felt you had to leave. I do not know exactly who you are, but I suspect you are one of the guys who went off to Monarch, having become really hacked off with easyJet. In all honesty, I have always felt that going to Monarch was a bad move, but easyJet have to take some responsibility for creating the environment that made you all feel you had to leave. The simple truth is that your time here coincided with an increasingly vicious battle between the pilots and management that only came to an end with the NEC agreement. I fully accept it is not perfect and that there have been winners and losers from it. Considering the very difficult balancing act that BALPA have had to perform, I think they got the best deal they could have done without turning to industrial action. Had they done so then I do not believe they would have had sufficient support to go to a strike - they knew that and our management knew it too. Given that scenario they called off the dogs at just the right time. Although I could not personally cope with the Monarch SOPs, the deep night flying, the old aircraft (posh new ones coming some day soon they tell me) and a very uncertain financial future, I can see the attraction. They have somehow managed to make their pilots believe they are in a great company despite it all, and for that I can only commend them. It is not BA or Cathay, but there are a lot of pilots who like being there - difficult to knock, even if it is not my bag.
My own regret is that we managed to alienate so many of you when we just did not need to. We failed to show you from Day 1 that we were a genuine medium to long term option - inexcusable really. Nonetheless, times have changed and there is a permanent contract for all new joiners, and for that I rejoice. Despite the ramblings of Narrow Runway and his mad mates, the Captain contract is still 100% intact, which was a critical concession easyJet had to bite the bullet over. EasyJet is a great company to work for and it offers a range of opportunities that few airlines can match. Another key part of the whole attractiveness or otherwise is that, love it or hate it, you know from Day 1 what you will get paid and the exact details of the contract. For some of you it is not enough, and that is fine. My own view is that anyone who comes here looking to make it work will have a great chance of a fantastic career. If it is not for you then that by all means go elsewhere. if you have a better job in the offing then I am sure you will take it. Good luck.