Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: The IMF.
Posts: 537
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
HundredPercentPlease
"Lots of toga10 takeovers and damaged aircraft"
What?
Surely this is exactly the reason why you want guys who know what they are doing in your flight decks at easyJet?
I'm at a loss to understand why a company would tolerate "lots" of the above. It is a blatant failing of the recruitment model, training standards and the quality and safety system as a whole.
The group SMS would soon enough demand a root and branch review of such occurrences if they happened "lots", as they can't be adequately described as low enough risk to the tolerable to any AOC holder.
Also, who is to say the guy who doesn't "give a
", or watches. Movie in the cruise, is the same one who can't land an aircraft?
I'd suggest that your post is a fabrication, in order to suit your ends of defending the indefensible.
Facts, not fiction - despite this being a rumour network, I really can't believe what you just wrote.
What?
Surely this is exactly the reason why you want guys who know what they are doing in your flight decks at easyJet?
I'm at a loss to understand why a company would tolerate "lots" of the above. It is a blatant failing of the recruitment model, training standards and the quality and safety system as a whole.
The group SMS would soon enough demand a root and branch review of such occurrences if they happened "lots", as they can't be adequately described as low enough risk to the tolerable to any AOC holder.
Also, who is to say the guy who doesn't "give a
", or watches. Movie in the cruise, is the same one who can't land an aircraft?I'd suggest that your post is a fabrication, in order to suit your ends of defending the indefensible.
Facts, not fiction - despite this being a rumour network, I really can't believe what you just wrote.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: The IMF.
Posts: 537
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Alexander de Meerkat
AdM,
I only have one series of questions for you:
Was your probation period one of 12 months duration?
Or were you somehow different due to the fact that "the world was different then", or because your infinite previous experience was somehow more valuable than many of the CURRENT AND TYPE RATED EXPERIENCED PILOTS currently applying to easyJet?
In fact, were you type rated when you joined easyJet? Or was it possible that "because the world was different then", you were trained and bonded at easyjet?
When you joined easyJet, was the company not competing in the same viciously competitive market that it does now? Arguably the market wasn't so well developed, but easyJet was smaller then and less profitable than now. Hence more prone to shocks than today, with its vast profits, immense cash flows and hugely cash generative ancillary arrangements.
I would say easyJet is better placed than it ever has been to dominate the market it is in - certainly far more able of doing so than when you joined.
Don't mistake competition in business for being the red light to abuse your professional brethren.
I'm sure you're a great trainer, captain and all round good egg. But, respectfully, you need to take off your blinkers and have a look at the reality outside of your mindset.
I only have one series of questions for you:
Was your probation period one of 12 months duration?
Or were you somehow different due to the fact that "the world was different then", or because your infinite previous experience was somehow more valuable than many of the CURRENT AND TYPE RATED EXPERIENCED PILOTS currently applying to easyJet?
In fact, were you type rated when you joined easyJet? Or was it possible that "because the world was different then", you were trained and bonded at easyjet?
When you joined easyJet, was the company not competing in the same viciously competitive market that it does now? Arguably the market wasn't so well developed, but easyJet was smaller then and less profitable than now. Hence more prone to shocks than today, with its vast profits, immense cash flows and hugely cash generative ancillary arrangements.
I would say easyJet is better placed than it ever has been to dominate the market it is in - certainly far more able of doing so than when you joined.
Don't mistake competition in business for being the red light to abuse your professional brethren.
I'm sure you're a great trainer, captain and all round good egg. But, respectfully, you need to take off your blinkers and have a look at the reality outside of your mindset.
Last edited by Narrow Runway; 1st Oct 2013 at 07:25.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Polymer Records
Posts: 597
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm guessing AdM is a member of the training team, and no doubt one of those who campaigned management to get rid of flexicrew. Maybe feels a little put out that the very chaps / ladies he sought to help seem so "ungrateful" for his efforts?
AdM - you have to see what an utterly rubbish offer this is. I can't think of anyone who would give up permanent employment and a place on a seniority list for this despite the fact that easy does look like a great place to work once you've got your feet under the table. This may very well be better than the awful flexicrew, but "better" does not necessarily mean "good".
(I am disinterested - I neither work for, nor seek to work for easy).
AdM - you have to see what an utterly rubbish offer this is. I can't think of anyone who would give up permanent employment and a place on a seniority list for this despite the fact that easy does look like a great place to work once you've got your feet under the table. This may very well be better than the awful flexicrew, but "better" does not necessarily mean "good".
(I am disinterested - I neither work for, nor seek to work for easy).
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Botswana
Posts: 887
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
De Fummo I take offence (on behalf of all Flybe/ex Flybe guys in particular) at the notion that the people likely to take the job are people who are not good enough to find something better. Which jobs exactly do you propose we should take instead bearing in mind there is the barest trickle of pilot recruitment right now and all of that is generally for rated guys?
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Manchester
Age: 47
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's a very good point Rex, your choices are limited in the UK. I have had to find work freelancing overseas for the last few years. Desperation is a big driver when you have a family to support. I got to the point where I'd decided to quit flying altogether and start down a different path when I found an employer willing to pay for a very expensive rating for a 3 year bond and I'm now based in the UK. There are jobs out there but you need to search very hard and use your contacts. But please don't devalue yourself and your profession by taking these crap terms from easy.
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: In a cave
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Alexander de Meerkat
Um, answer the question in hand please rather than give the usual nonsensical politician's answer. Let me remind you what I said:
Where did I say that the 12 month probationary period is too long? What I said was that it was completely unnecessary to offer a "flexi style" 12 month probationary contract. Any company worth it's salt would place their "employees" on a permanent contract from day one and include the 12 month probation as part of this contract just like 99.99% of other businesses do.
You're right about keeping costs down, and to that end you know and I know that is the reason these contracts are being offered, it's nothing to do with probation, nothing to do with weeding out the "rubbish", it is purely and simply to do with getting something for nothing, but do you know what? I don't actually blame easyjet, I blame the people who take the contracts. These contracts solely exist purely because people are willing to accept it, you can dress it up or down as much as you like, but that is why they exist. Easyjet are offering this contract because you know and I know that they can and will "not offer" a permanent contract at the end of the 12 months if it doesn't suit them, they hold every ace in the pack. If things change and the market changes then they can just pull the plug as and when they see fit and they can walk away with no employer responsibilities whatsoever. You know this is the real reason, and I know this is the real reason but unfortunately the band of hypnotics will continue to march on until there are no T&Cs left in this industry, driven down by the very people who will climb over everyone and everything just to sit in the rhs of that shiny new jet you allude to.
Unfortunately for me I am taking your advice. I am not accepting the contract. You will have to sell easyjet to me better than telling me I'll be sat in a new jet; sorry but it's just an aeroplane. You'll have to do better than tell me I'll fly to lots of destinations unrivaled by most other airlines; sorry but it's just a runway, they are all the same. Unfortunately I am the wrong side of 40 to be worrying about shiny jets and shiny runways, but herein lies the problem, there are many, many people from the UK and across Europe who see this as a catch. Good luck to them, and good luck to yourself and easyjet.
Um, answer the question in hand please rather than give the usual nonsensical politician's answer. Let me remind you what I said:
Originally Posted by Artic Monkey
If Easy was offering a permanent contract as you so profusely testify then any company worth it's salt would put their employees on a permanent contract from day ONE and have it written into the contract that continuous employment is based on a 12 month probation.
You're right about keeping costs down, and to that end you know and I know that is the reason these contracts are being offered, it's nothing to do with probation, nothing to do with weeding out the "rubbish", it is purely and simply to do with getting something for nothing, but do you know what? I don't actually blame easyjet, I blame the people who take the contracts. These contracts solely exist purely because people are willing to accept it, you can dress it up or down as much as you like, but that is why they exist. Easyjet are offering this contract because you know and I know that they can and will "not offer" a permanent contract at the end of the 12 months if it doesn't suit them, they hold every ace in the pack. If things change and the market changes then they can just pull the plug as and when they see fit and they can walk away with no employer responsibilities whatsoever. You know this is the real reason, and I know this is the real reason but unfortunately the band of hypnotics will continue to march on until there are no T&Cs left in this industry, driven down by the very people who will climb over everyone and everything just to sit in the rhs of that shiny new jet you allude to.
Unfortunately for me I am taking your advice. I am not accepting the contract. You will have to sell easyjet to me better than telling me I'll be sat in a new jet; sorry but it's just an aeroplane. You'll have to do better than tell me I'll fly to lots of destinations unrivaled by most other airlines; sorry but it's just a runway, they are all the same. Unfortunately I am the wrong side of 40 to be worrying about shiny jets and shiny runways, but herein lies the problem, there are many, many people from the UK and across Europe who see this as a catch. Good luck to them, and good luck to yourself and easyjet.
Last edited by Artic Monkey; 1st Oct 2013 at 14:47.
Join Date: Jan 2000
Posts: 639
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This is just another reminder of how the aviation market has changed, and whereas once RHS A320 would have led to reasonably good T&Cs that it is a distant memory.
The broad message seems to be try and become LHS and life's rosy, for now.
Is it a disgrace? No, it's all part of the European labour market and the original design aims of Airbus - not that I saw this coming!
The broad message seems to be try and become LHS and life's rosy, for now.
Is it a disgrace? No, it's all part of the European labour market and the original design aims of Airbus - not that I saw this coming!
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: uk
Posts: 182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So great to see the industry moving again for experienced people. That is finally an improvement on an industry that appeared to not require experience and in fact actively sought to avoid experience as it was "expensive". If it keeps going this way could terms and conditions go up some time soon too? Market forces going pilots way maybe?!
I'd love a crystal ball!!!!
I'd love a crystal ball!!!!
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: FL370
Age: 38
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Was unsuccessful after the online tests this year, but with permanent contracts on offer I'll certainly be hoping that they open up to applications again next year for us non-TR experienced folks. I love my little jet, but it certainly feels like time to move on to something bigger and to a true career company. I feel that easyJet would fit that mold very nicely.
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: UAE
Age: 54
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
standard career progression SO,FO,SFO,CAPT.
"Non-standard career progression CAPT, SO, FO, SFO, CAPT"
Last edited by King Dong; 1st Oct 2013 at 21:05.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: South of Watford
Posts: 896
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Any apologies from those who so quickly castigated easyJet and those of us who repeatedly said that they were wrong. No thought not. May I be among the first to congratulate and extend a warm welcome to those who have had their great news today and of course those who will get similar good news over the next few days.