Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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There's a lot of talk about "plenty will accept these T&Cs if you don't". Who are these experienced people with £20,000 spare?
Please give me an example of one of these fools who is obviously in employment now to able to afford the £20K. I can only assume its guys who are self employed contractors at present, not employees. Those who are able to go back to their 73 or A320 contract in china should the 12 month flexi contract become nothing more.
Anyone else even considering this offer is a moron. IMO
Please give me an example of one of these fools who is obviously in employment now to able to afford the £20K. I can only assume its guys who are self employed contractors at present, not employees. Those who are able to go back to their 73 or A320 contract in china should the 12 month flexi contract become nothing more.
Anyone else even considering this offer is a moron. IMO
Open Des, you are looking at the SENIOR F/O scale and even then, you would need 1000 sectors are about 1500hrs/year to reach the 100k mark. Don't forget this is gross as well. Take off 22% social security and 35% of tax if you live in the UK.
The contracts which are on offer are SECOND officer contracts. These are being negotitated, as we speak. An educated guess: they will be around 50k€ gross, so 2800€/ month take home if one lives in the UK.
The contracts which are on offer are SECOND officer contracts. These are being negotitated, as we speak. An educated guess: they will be around 50k€ gross, so 2800€/ month take home if one lives in the UK.
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Roger! Still, how do they expect to be able to get any experienced guys for that deal? Especially if they're non rated? All depends on your definition of experienced I guess...
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Are there gys offered a direct SO contract at 38k? That at least sounds like a permanent contract.
The CTC contract is max 52 per flight hour and after 12 months and passing the interview you start as a SO at 38k.
The CTC contract is max 52 per flight hour and after 12 months and passing the interview you start as a SO at 38k.
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I believe there might be, but seriously Mike, are we saying that this is a good thing? That someone experienced should be somehow thrilled to receive 38k a year? It might work if you were all out of luck (unemployed) but really...
As for CTC having to wait one year, well slight difference between 200 hours and 7000 hours of flying experience! Although while I'm at it-CTC started this whole flexi crew thing, and then we let it happen. History will repeat itself here, only this time it might not just be the cadets they come after...
As for CTC having to wait one year, well slight difference between 200 hours and 7000 hours of flying experience! Although while I'm at it-CTC started this whole flexi crew thing, and then we let it happen. History will repeat itself here, only this time it might not just be the cadets they come after...
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Well both offers suck Susan. But the CTC initially and after one year you can call yourself a SO at EZY as a experienced guy sucks total balls.
Biggest problem I have with it that they were not upfront about what was on offer from the beginning.
Seems like they had so many applications that EXY thought lets see how we can milk this deal out.
Biggest problem I have with it that they were not upfront about what was on offer from the beginning.
Seems like they had so many applications that EXY thought lets see how we can milk this deal out.
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Is an EZY A320 with a cadet too dangerous?
Why would EZY pay more than the market rate? And at ~£40k, we're not talking about a liveable wage issue.
One chap mentioned he's now a captain earning >£100k. This is impressive, albeit EZY's captains in 10 years will not see that outside of training positions etc.
Equally, the option may exist to apply to BA - something which EZY FOs and indeed Captains have done. The TR should help, but alas this is for the cream only.
Why would EZY pay more than the market rate? And at ~£40k, we're not talking about a liveable wage issue.
One chap mentioned he's now a captain earning >£100k. This is impressive, albeit EZY's captains in 10 years will not see that outside of training positions etc.
Equally, the option may exist to apply to BA - something which EZY FOs and indeed Captains have done. The TR should help, but alas this is for the cream only.
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FANS, you expect serious paycuts on top of inflation for us in ezy then? A UK Captain will be on about 115 k/year including sector pay plus 7 k pension on top if he has 5 years in the company which the vast majority do once they become captains. Continental captain will be on 150-165 k € which was about the exchange rate when the first one was made.
A lot of posters seem to hate ezy, which is fine and fair, but I fail to see why they apply then. Hours in a log book hardly makes you indispensable and as far as I know, BA and the like starts you on pay point 1 of 34 when you join.
A lot of posters seem to hate ezy, which is fine and fair, but I fail to see why they apply then. Hours in a log book hardly makes you indispensable and as far as I know, BA and the like starts you on pay point 1 of 34 when you join.
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I expect the salary for NEW Captain's to decrease materially from that of the market over the last decade+.
This follows what has happened with FO's T&Cs, and indeed a BA cadet from 20 years ago probably earned nearly the same as an experienced EZY SO/FO call-them-what-you want today when you factor in allowances, pension etc.
This follows what has happened with FO's T&Cs, and indeed a BA cadet from 20 years ago probably earned nearly the same as an experienced EZY SO/FO call-them-what-you want today when you factor in allowances, pension etc.
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Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
100k is achievable as SFO. SFO basic in France is around 80k I think. And yes: there have been SFO offers both for Germany and France. Permanent FO offers in Italy. (Due to time in company requirement). Offers were done based on performance, not just previous experience.
And why are you talking about UK tax? As if commuting to the UK would be the default situation?? You pay tax in France: 1 or 2 monthly salaries depending on situation.
Good luck everyone!
I have been here 8 years; it's boring at times (maybe most of the time) but it truly is the best circus around.
And why are you talking about UK tax? As if commuting to the UK would be the default situation?? You pay tax in France: 1 or 2 monthly salaries depending on situation.
Good luck everyone!
I have been here 8 years; it's boring at times (maybe most of the time) but it truly is the best circus around.
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And that's what you have to weigh up against the initial offering when reaching a decision should you be offered a position..
Keep in mind that Ezy have some flex on their expansion plans should the market change and that your unlikely to get a command at your home base unless its LGW. Mind you at LGW you could succeed in securing a training position as an F/O, I understand some have become TRI's so some of that experience might be rewarded if you impress the right people.
My advice would be to look well ahead, get as much info as you can and make a reasoned decision. Bit like flying really.
No guarantee's, that's why it's a punt. For some the pro's will outweigh the cons for others they will not. DYOR
Keep in mind that Ezy have some flex on their expansion plans should the market change and that your unlikely to get a command at your home base unless its LGW. Mind you at LGW you could succeed in securing a training position as an F/O, I understand some have become TRI's so some of that experience might be rewarded if you impress the right people.
My advice would be to look well ahead, get as much info as you can and make a reasoned decision. Bit like flying really.
No guarantee's, that's why it's a punt. For some the pro's will outweigh the cons for others they will not. DYOR
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Sure Ashling, agree with all that. Fact is though, at the assessment day, we were told that there would be permanent positions offered, and that SFO would be offered on a "performance" basis. Now, clearly I don't have the exact details of my assessment, but I was led to believe I'd done rather well...
Would I accept a base change for command? Hell yeah! Am I prepared to put everyhting I currently have at risk for half my current salary, on a non permanent job, with no assurances of anything, nevermind command? Nope. I suspect that in your day, you joined an airline as I did, and expected to get a command in the time frame you expected-which by all accounts you did. Let me ask you this though, if for some reason you weren't a Captain now, had served more than the time expected for command, probably weren't going to get a command for another 5-10 years, but had a secure job, would you expect to apply for a position that was OPENLY targeted towards experienced pilots, and then discover that they instead were going to try and recruit you on cadet terms?
Also understand, that you cannot be considered for command in easy until you are a permanent SFO. If there are no assurances as to when this happens, your time to command is extended by an indeterminable amount.
Too many things up in the air...SFO should be the least an experienced (truly experienced) pilot should expect. Anything else is an insult imo.
Right, I've debated this enough, but I wish all those concerned the very best, and if I am fortunate enough to be surprised by easyjet, then I will look forward to operating with you...
Susan (off to wash my nuts).
Would I accept a base change for command? Hell yeah! Am I prepared to put everyhting I currently have at risk for half my current salary, on a non permanent job, with no assurances of anything, nevermind command? Nope. I suspect that in your day, you joined an airline as I did, and expected to get a command in the time frame you expected-which by all accounts you did. Let me ask you this though, if for some reason you weren't a Captain now, had served more than the time expected for command, probably weren't going to get a command for another 5-10 years, but had a secure job, would you expect to apply for a position that was OPENLY targeted towards experienced pilots, and then discover that they instead were going to try and recruit you on cadet terms?
Also understand, that you cannot be considered for command in easy until you are a permanent SFO. If there are no assurances as to when this happens, your time to command is extended by an indeterminable amount.
Too many things up in the air...SFO should be the least an experienced (truly experienced) pilot should expect. Anything else is an insult imo.
Right, I've debated this enough, but I wish all those concerned the very best, and if I am fortunate enough to be surprised by easyjet, then I will look forward to operating with you...
Susan (off to wash my nuts).