Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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My friend has an interesting take on this. He says;
CTC have apparently been struggling with uptake recently. What a great way to fill their sims with people paying for their own type ratings! They could fill their sims for the next 2 years!
I wonder whether easy will take the extra money over the normal £12.5k for an A320 type rating or CTC will keep it or maybe they'll just share it?
What an immoral way to make a living. Employ pilots based not on their ability/ experience/ qualities etc but on their willingness to spend/ borrow £20k for a type rating that you could get elsewhere for £12.5k. Of course easy will tell you how much they value all of their employees and that safety is their no 1 priority. They'll tell you that just before they ask for the cheque for £20k - the major qualification you need to get a job with them.
Of course like any jobs, during the first year you have no real rights. I wonder how many will get chopped at their first OPC enabling enough space for the next batch?
If I was you mate, I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
Thoughts anyone?
CTC have apparently been struggling with uptake recently. What a great way to fill their sims with people paying for their own type ratings! They could fill their sims for the next 2 years!
I wonder whether easy will take the extra money over the normal £12.5k for an A320 type rating or CTC will keep it or maybe they'll just share it?
What an immoral way to make a living. Employ pilots based not on their ability/ experience/ qualities etc but on their willingness to spend/ borrow £20k for a type rating that you could get elsewhere for £12.5k. Of course easy will tell you how much they value all of their employees and that safety is their no 1 priority. They'll tell you that just before they ask for the cheque for £20k - the major qualification you need to get a job with them.
Of course like any jobs, during the first year you have no real rights. I wonder how many will get chopped at their first OPC enabling enough space for the next batch?
If I was you mate, I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
Thoughts anyone?
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20k is a lot of money for a TR. However, unlike the cheaper TR available elsewhere this has a job attached with real prospects. It is no good bemoaning the fact that airlines should be paying for this training and then bonding pilots. Those days have long gone. If you want to have a job at easyJet play by their rules if not then too bad. The T&Cs will be worse in 3 years time that is the only guarantee. Until there is a chronic shortage of pilots of any experience nothing will change. Either climb aboard now or watch the train leave from the platform. Jumping and cursing will make no difference.
Just remember paying 20k does not mean you will be flying the line. You still have to get to the standard and get through line training. I know guys have been chopped during line training.
Don't think it's guaranteed because you've paid a large sum of cash as its not.
Be careful.
Don't think it's guaranteed because you've paid a large sum of cash as its not.
Be careful.
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20k is a lot of money for a TR. However, unlike the cheaper TR available elsewhere this has a job attached with real prospects. It is no good bemoaning the fact that airlines should be paying for this training and then bonding pilots. Those days have long gone. If you want to have a job at easyJet play by their rules if not then too bad. The T&Cs will be worse in 3 years time that is the only guarantee. Until there is a chronic shortage of pilots of any experience nothing will change. Either climb aboard now or watch the train leave from the platform. Jumping and cursing will make no difference.
It is quite simple.
All it takes is that each and every successful candidate (all of whom must read this thread?) who goes through this present Easyjet recruitment drive, declines the contract on offer.
Overnight, it will be improved.
Similar things are already happening at one or two airlines near you, albeit not ones that fly the electric death jet.
This is a Company forecast to make between £430-480 million profit this financial year.
Au contraire Monarch, despite their financial position, continue to offer ratings.
Easyjet aren't doing it for financial reasons, they're doing it because they can, and because, like the author of the above quote, pilots are content to submit to the propaganda.
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Tremendous perception.
It is quite simple.
All it takes is that each and every successful candidate (all of whom must read this thread?) who goes through this present Easyjet recruitment drive, declines the contract on offer.
Overnight, it will be improved.
Similar things are already happening at one or two airlines near you, albeit not ones that fly the electric death jet.
This is a Company forecast to make between £430-480 million profit this financial year.
Au contraire Monarch, despite their financial position, continue to offer ratings.
Easyjet aren't doing it for financial reasons, they're doing it because they can, and because, like the author of the above quote, pilots are content to submit to the propaganda.
It is quite simple.
All it takes is that each and every successful candidate (all of whom must read this thread?) who goes through this present Easyjet recruitment drive, declines the contract on offer.
Overnight, it will be improved.
Similar things are already happening at one or two airlines near you, albeit not ones that fly the electric death jet.
This is a Company forecast to make between £430-480 million profit this financial year.
Au contraire Monarch, despite their financial position, continue to offer ratings.
Easyjet aren't doing it for financial reasons, they're doing it because they can, and because, like the author of the above quote, pilots are content to submit to the propaganda.
Those take it or leave it wankers are just making this job conditions worse and worse ! And still they don't get it.
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Crikey, there will be a lot of 'Ruperts' with rather sore arses after this little money spinner.
Praise be for never managing to book an appointment. I would have missed a couple of days of paid work only to find this little beauty out.
Bullet dodged.
Best of luck all with more money than sense...
Praise be for never managing to book an appointment. I would have missed a couple of days of paid work only to find this little beauty out.
Bullet dodged.
Best of luck all with more money than sense...
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Fishing expedition
Hi all,
from what I've been reading on this thread it would seem Easy is on a fishing expedition as it's been quite a few years since they've hired other than cadets. Sk8terboi's offer would indicate that they're looking to see what they can get away with. If (for once) people collectively would stick together and say no, chances are the offer would be (need to be) improved as they need fresh blood.
p.s. not trying to teach people here to suck eggs...
from what I've been reading on this thread it would seem Easy is on a fishing expedition as it's been quite a few years since they've hired other than cadets. Sk8terboi's offer would indicate that they're looking to see what they can get away with. If (for once) people collectively would stick together and say no, chances are the offer would be (need to be) improved as they need fresh blood.
p.s. not trying to teach people here to suck eggs...
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You speak of salaries, and that SO is less than FO. But the FO is pretty poor from memory. I don't remember exactly, but I remember at the time thinking that anything less than SFO salary is very poor.
ECAM from looking on here and speaking to Ezy guys at my base I think a lot would disagree that they are treated well.
Thomcat I suspect you're correct. I don't think of myself as vastly experienced, though by no means a novice. But the initial offer is in no way designed to attract anyone currently in the left seat of a turboprop or regional jet, unless they are early 20's with zero overheads.
All food for thought.
You speak of salaries, and that SO is less than FO. But the FO is pretty poor from memory. I don't remember exactly, but I remember at the time thinking that anything less than SFO salary is very poor.
ECAM from looking on here and speaking to Ezy guys at my base I think a lot would disagree that they are treated well.
Thomcat I suspect you're correct. I don't think of myself as vastly experienced, though by no means a novice. But the initial offer is in no way designed to attract anyone currently in the left seat of a turboprop or regional jet, unless they are early 20's with zero overheads.
All food for thought.
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The SO salary was in the mid 30's and no flight pay available. The FO salary was around £40-£45k (excluding flight pay) depending on a 75% or 100% contract. That's off the top of my head.
The SO salary was in the mid 30's and no flight pay available. The FO salary was around £40-£45k (excluding flight pay) depending on a 75% or 100% contract. That's off the top of my head.
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Incredible! Have heard of some rejected and some accepted in this crazy scheme!
Does anybody have a suggestion as to how we can stop this?
By "this", of course, I mean:
- The slow decline of a noble, fantastic profession.
(Would Doctors stand for this?)
- The fact that each (shorthaul) flight originating in the UK has a tax burden exceeding the pilot renumeration by 100s of percent.
- easyJet, one of the most profitable UK airlines, wishes to make profit from the essential training of its new employees - paid by the trainees!
Surely, we could capitalise on the RyanAir publicity?
If not now, then when?
I suppose we could always remove all the experienced pilots from aviation to make things easier for the businesses.... An occasional crash is possibly cheaper than decent pilots?
Sad to see, but perhaps unsurprising. And I am no anti-capitalist.
Perhaps it's about unity and publicity?
Safe flying and all suggestions welcome!
Does anybody have a suggestion as to how we can stop this?
By "this", of course, I mean:
- The slow decline of a noble, fantastic profession.
(Would Doctors stand for this?)
- The fact that each (shorthaul) flight originating in the UK has a tax burden exceeding the pilot renumeration by 100s of percent.
- easyJet, one of the most profitable UK airlines, wishes to make profit from the essential training of its new employees - paid by the trainees!
Surely, we could capitalise on the RyanAir publicity?
If not now, then when?
I suppose we could always remove all the experienced pilots from aviation to make things easier for the businesses.... An occasional crash is possibly cheaper than decent pilots?
Sad to see, but perhaps unsurprising. And I am no anti-capitalist.
Perhaps it's about unity and publicity?
Safe flying and all suggestions welcome!
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The sad reality is that you can complain all you want on here and call for solidarity in rejection of the offer, but you well know that there will be plenty of takers. It is delusional to think that of the 3,000+ applicants, easyJet can't find the few hundred they need who are willing to accept the conditions offered.
So, if the conditions suit you, take it. If they don't, then refuse. It is folly to think solidarity can be drummed up via pprune. Not even when organised in unions can we pilots agree on major things, so to expect pilots with no ties to each other to suddenly march shoulder to shoulder is ludicrous.
So, if the conditions suit you, take it. If they don't, then refuse. It is folly to think solidarity can be drummed up via pprune. Not even when organised in unions can we pilots agree on major things, so to expect pilots with no ties to each other to suddenly march shoulder to shoulder is ludicrous.
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Sadly for some this is a good deal. £44k plus £8k flight pay is about £20k than a lot of UK regional pilots earn. Even at 75% it's probably £8k more. Apparently the cost of the rating should reduce after a VAT refund so perhaps after only 2 years the regional pilot is in profit with a far more promising career structure ahead (for now). Like the previous post says, if it suits you take it.
Flexi crew on the other hand. I'd rather earn less where I am than you.
Flexi crew on the other hand. I'd rather earn less where I am than you.
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No idea, just repeating something written a few pages back by someone who has attended selection. Could well just be an attempt to make the whole thing appear less shocking though.
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You can only reclaim the VAT if you have your own business and register for VAT. Which means you would be contracted (which might be the case for this contract anyway, haven't read the pages before this one). On the other hand I guess you have to pay VAT on the duties you offer to the "client". So in the end you won't get all VAT back. Depends on the income/debt balance I guess.
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The sad reality is that you can complain all you want on here and call for solidarity in rejection of the offer, but you well know that there will be plenty of takers. It is delusional to think that of the 3,000+ applicants, easyJet can't find the few hundred they need who are willing to accept the conditions offered.
So, if the conditions suit you, take it. If they don't, then refuse. It is folly to think solidarity can be drummed up via PPRuNe. Not even when organised in unions can we pilots agree on major things, so to expect pilots with no ties to each other to suddenly march shoulder to shoulder is ludicrous.
So, if the conditions suit you, take it. If they don't, then refuse. It is folly to think solidarity can be drummed up via PPRuNe. Not even when organised in unions can we pilots agree on major things, so to expect pilots with no ties to each other to suddenly march shoulder to shoulder is ludicrous.
When the situation is bad, is that an argument for or against some type of solidarity?
Granted there will always be the short-sighted amongst us, but these days, if you're in, or desiring to be in this industry, it is inconceivable that you are not aware of the arguments raging against accepting T&C's that drive a nail through the heart of not only existing T&C's but future T&C's as well.
The price of EZY picking up the cost of 200 TR courses at £10K/course is probably still less than the value of the CEO's package for 2013 (based on what her package was worth in 2011).
No one gets killed if she misses a target.