Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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VJW,
Whether or not eJ pay more than Ryanair isn’t the point. You’re an experienced captain moving to a huge airline that could easily pay for your rating and bond you.
There is a serious shortage of quality captains currently, yet paying for a rating - either up front, or through wages being docked - is still alive and well. It surprises me that people think it’s acceptable.
This “deal” isn’t a demonstration of how good terms and conditions at eJ may be, rather one of just how dire Ryanair is in my mind.
Whether or not eJ pay more than Ryanair isn’t the point. You’re an experienced captain moving to a huge airline that could easily pay for your rating and bond you.
There is a serious shortage of quality captains currently, yet paying for a rating - either up front, or through wages being docked - is still alive and well. It surprises me that people think it’s acceptable.
This “deal” isn’t a demonstration of how good terms and conditions at eJ may be, rather one of just how dire Ryanair is in my mind.
It is the point I’m afraid, and luckily us naive FR pilots don’t need to ask pprune memebers prior to making our decision.
You’re correct my point isn’t trying to say that EasyJet is amazing, of course there’s better out there. However wanting to be based in LGW and going as a DEC I’d be interested in hearing what other options I have.
Again paying for the rating is obviously something no one wants to do, but I reiterate, I’m not going to China/Middle East just to get a free one, when I won’t even notice I’ve paid for one here...
You’re correct my point isn’t trying to say that EasyJet is amazing, of course there’s better out there. However wanting to be based in LGW and going as a DEC I’d be interested in hearing what other options I have.
Again paying for the rating is obviously something no one wants to do, but I reiterate, I’m not going to China/Middle East just to get a free one, when I won’t even notice I’ve paid for one here...
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Most of the companies paying for rating, in the US as well, have a 1st year salary that is very low compared to year 2.
Officially you don't pay for the rating, but in real terms you do.
Example?
Very rough numbers: Southwest pay a 1st year FO 79 dollars per hour. Lets make 75 guaranteed hours per month times 12: 71100.
Second year is 115 usd per hour, for a total of 103500. Difference of 32400 usd.
Same for many other. Who pays for the rating then?
Officially you don't pay for the rating, but in real terms you do.
Example?
Very rough numbers: Southwest pay a 1st year FO 79 dollars per hour. Lets make 75 guaranteed hours per month times 12: 71100.
Second year is 115 usd per hour, for a total of 103500. Difference of 32400 usd.
Same for many other. Who pays for the rating then?
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VJW,
Did you have to pay for your rating at Ryanair and at easy? That in itself is a major problem, as it perpetuates an acceptable norm.
I suppose you wouldn’t pay your rating at BA. And you’d get your Gatwick base - albeit it as an FO. But you probably know that already.
Anyhow, if you think it’s worth doing, that’s up to you. I suspect that it’s not - neither short, nor long term.
Did you have to pay for your rating at Ryanair and at easy? That in itself is a major problem, as it perpetuates an acceptable norm.
I suppose you wouldn’t pay your rating at BA. And you’d get your Gatwick base - albeit it as an FO. But you probably know that already.
Anyhow, if you think it’s worth doing, that’s up to you. I suspect that it’s not - neither short, nor long term.
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So everytime you move Airlines in your career you just accept to pay for a new type and lose your previous ratings?
easy pay more but also work more as they don’t have 5/4 in most bases as I understand. However a stby duty sitting at home isn’t a big deal to be fair if that’s the case.
Good point about SWA except a 12 year Captain there gets paid at least 50% more than EasyJet with a lot less tax and better benefits.
easy pay more but also work more as they don’t have 5/4 in most bases as I understand. However a stby duty sitting at home isn’t a big deal to be fair if that’s the case.
Good point about SWA except a 12 year Captain there gets paid at least 50% more than EasyJet with a lot less tax and better benefits.
Job Knockey - yes I explained in my post above why I wouldn’t go to BA now as a FO even though they would offer a free rating.
Ratings in RYR are free are they? The basic salary is reduced by £5k a year for 5 years - least the rating is ‘free’ though :/
In EasyJet I’m not having to pay upfront for a rating and the pay there has gone up by £7k gross a year in the time since I applied.
All I hear is the same old arguments.
People think free type ratings is the most important thing when making decisions.
Two cadets join the industry. One a BA cadet who has to go through CTC to join. The other (myself) went modular and self studied and funded their studies while working full time. At the end of their courses they both had the same licence printed. One owed Mum and Dad £120k and joined BA with a free type rating, the other spent their own £45k on the modular route and then had to fund a £30k type rating- as the same opportunities weren’t available to the modular student.
What world are we living in where you only judge how good an airline is on whether they pay form the type rating or not.
What’s naive is assuming someone like myself isn’t making the best possible decision for my family and I when an opportunity presents itself.
Ratings in RYR are free are they? The basic salary is reduced by £5k a year for 5 years - least the rating is ‘free’ though :/
In EasyJet I’m not having to pay upfront for a rating and the pay there has gone up by £7k gross a year in the time since I applied.
All I hear is the same old arguments.
People think free type ratings is the most important thing when making decisions.
Two cadets join the industry. One a BA cadet who has to go through CTC to join. The other (myself) went modular and self studied and funded their studies while working full time. At the end of their courses they both had the same licence printed. One owed Mum and Dad £120k and joined BA with a free type rating, the other spent their own £45k on the modular route and then had to fund a £30k type rating- as the same opportunities weren’t available to the modular student.
What world are we living in where you only judge how good an airline is on whether they pay form the type rating or not.
What’s naive is assuming someone like myself isn’t making the best possible decision for my family and I when an opportunity presents itself.
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It wasn’t personal and I wish you all the best. Im just trying to point out that over a potential 30-40 year Euro LCC career that these little things really start to add up if you change carriers a few times and EASA has left us little wiggle room with regards keeping our previous ratings current. I think we’ve met before btw.
Just curious I don’t suppose Easyjet have ID90s on other airlines? Do you get full basic salary during training?
It wasn’t personal and I wish you all the best. Im just trying to point out that over a potential 30-40 year Euro LCC career that these little things really start to add up if you change carriers a few times and EASA has left us little wiggle room with regards keeping our previous ratings current. I think we’ve met before btw.
Just curious I don’t suppose Easyjet have ID90s on other airlines? Do you get full basic salary during training?
Jim- yes we may well have met, the name rings a bell 
While it might not have meant to be personal, it certainly felt it when reading your comment and realised that along with many friends of mine, you were also talking about me at this very juncture in my career. I'm not planning on moving again after this move, and to be honest why does someone in EJ need to worry about an expiring 737 rating?
I'm aware of what you're pointing out too, but having a go a FR Captains trying to better themselves (from day one at Easy my net pay (with the type rating fee deducted) along with a far nicer company culture and much improved T&C's is so much better than FR) - why would I sit and wait in FR until a better offer comes along. As I've said I've been in the BA pool for well over a year too. I personally don't see any better DEC jobs in London happening any time soon, do you? - with Monarch and Air Berlin going bankrupt while I waited the outcome of my assessment, I count myself somewhat fortunate they're still calling NTR people.
I don't believe Easy have access to ID90's in other airlines, but I've been on a friends Easyjet staff travel for a few years and used it to commute to my previous base. It was an excellent perk, one FR could provide but don't. I get as a FR direct employee - 6 SBY tickets a year, contractors which make up 50% of the workforce get nothing. EJ you have 4 names on your list where you can change them up to 20 times a year and these people can book and unlimited amount of discounted confirmed tickets that are on staff travel. And yes we get full basic pay during type rating and overnight allowance. I know someone currently on their type rating making the same salary on that course with EJ as I'm making flying for FR...
While it might not have meant to be personal, it certainly felt it when reading your comment and realised that along with many friends of mine, you were also talking about me at this very juncture in my career. I'm not planning on moving again after this move, and to be honest why does someone in EJ need to worry about an expiring 737 rating?
I'm aware of what you're pointing out too, but having a go a FR Captains trying to better themselves (from day one at Easy my net pay (with the type rating fee deducted) along with a far nicer company culture and much improved T&C's is so much better than FR) - why would I sit and wait in FR until a better offer comes along. As I've said I've been in the BA pool for well over a year too. I personally don't see any better DEC jobs in London happening any time soon, do you? - with Monarch and Air Berlin going bankrupt while I waited the outcome of my assessment, I count myself somewhat fortunate they're still calling NTR people.
I don't believe Easy have access to ID90's in other airlines, but I've been on a friends Easyjet staff travel for a few years and used it to commute to my previous base. It was an excellent perk, one FR could provide but don't. I get as a FR direct employee - 6 SBY tickets a year, contractors which make up 50% of the workforce get nothing. EJ you have 4 names on your list where you can change them up to 20 times a year and these people can book and unlimited amount of discounted confirmed tickets that are on staff travel. And yes we get full basic pay during type rating and overnight allowance. I know someone currently on their type rating making the same salary on that course with EJ as I'm making flying for FR...
When I was a new captain, I was on 90% basic for the first year, I don’t think that has changed.
It has changed, have had that confirmed in writing, full pay from the get go. Would be hard even for me to argue that one on here- pay for the rating through your salary AND take 90% salary for first 6 months...90% salary is only for internal upgrades, can I assume that's what you were? It's full pay for DEC's.
What you say about the Staff travel tickets is correct. Two years commuting with EJ on a weekly basis this never happened to me though, saying that I was taking a route which had between 3-5 daily flights.
What you say about the Staff travel tickets is correct. Two years commuting with EJ on a weekly basis this never happened to me though, saying that I was taking a route which had between 3-5 daily flights.
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2017 has been good, dare I say it. Better sector pairings, more crew (allowing for more 2 sector duties) and slightly longer turns have greatly improved the schedule vs the previous year. Rolling totals are between 750-800 for me but undoubtedly you will find people with more or less than that. A few blocks during the summer got pretty disrupted but were in response to big slot delays affecting duties at the start of the block - not necessarily caused by anything within the company's control.
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Would anyone be able to enlighten me as to current wait for the glasgow base? And also if it's a stable base in terms of number of aircraft based there or does it change significantly from year to year?
Thanks in advance.
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It’s only pprune mate! Don’t take it too seriously or personally. I come here to vent my anger at the penny pinching Airlines making blllions and to gather some info. I think I’d go orange before that red LCC any day. Worse case scenario I think I’ll start a small Meth lab in my later years to fund my retirement.
PS could they not deduct it from the Gross salary?
It’s only pprune mate! Don’t take it too seriously or personally. I come here to vent my anger at the penny pinching Airlines making blllions and to gather some info. I think I’d go orange before that red LCC any day. Worse case scenario I think I’ll start a small Meth lab in my later years to fund my retirement.
PS could they not deduct it from the Gross salary?
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The openings are officially just for a handful of bases, but then they offer whatever is available.
In the last few months italian, french and german bases have been offered, with or without type, despite no official openings for those bases.
In the last few months italian, french and german bases have been offered, with or without type, despite no official openings for those bases.