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Old 16th Apr 2013, 08:43
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What wingowango said.

Nothing leg says is going to change anything chaps so ignore him. What will be will be but I'll put my faith in BALPA to sort this out rather than listen to unsubstantiated rumours on a "rumour" forum.

So come on leg, get your backside on the BALPA forum and reveal all. So you're saying BALPA are lying to us? That's a serious accusation if true
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Old 2nd May 2013, 10:20
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Boing7117, sorry to burst your bubble but the company pay lip service to Balpa, always have and always will. They will do what they have to do to ensure their plans come through.

I have this from a contact so it's gospel.

There will be comp redundancies next week, maybe not 80 but near to that number.

The Balpa 5% pay cut ballot is a waste of time as the management are not interested or need it as job cuts will achieve the 5.5m saving which is what they wanted from the outset, see a pattern here? They get what they want, everything else is just wasting time and building false hopes.

It's not nice but watch as it comes true next week, you read it here first.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 10:39
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Looks like Mr Leg hasn't got a 'leg' to stand on this morning!
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Old 2nd May 2013, 15:03
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Please tell me it is not as bad as was first thought.

BD (Pal of a chap whose son is in the danger area)
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Old 2nd May 2013, 15:22
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Hear there is a new company newsletter out today ....

Fingers crossed for all.
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No compulsory redundancies and BALPA was listened to.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 16:42
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What have you had to give up?
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Old 3rd May 2013, 18:47
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Someone is going to be eating humble pie this morning
Jumped the gun there son, seen the latest drivel from the company the day after?



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No compulsory redundancies and BALPA was listened to
Are you insane?
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Old 3rd May 2013, 20:43
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Got it wrong? The fat lady has not even got to her feet, let alone started to sing, son.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 21:24
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Unfortunately it is very hard to be positive about what happened. Yes maybe Leg's little prediction didn't come to fruition this time but I'm afraid it is plainly obvious to all that it is only a matter of time before the axe falls.. When it does the company will have learned from this fiasco and the poor individuals involved won't be saved. Everyone is happy that there were no redundancies, we can all cope with a bit less pay and those extra days off can be filled with hours of fruitless job hunting..

I genuinely hope that things turn around because I doubt any of us will ever work with a better group of individuals but a lot has to change, and it has to change very fast.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 21:58
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Leg, are you quite sure no one will be able to figure out who you are? You seem to take a certain pleasure in your writings here, and I don't think folk will see you as just the 'messenger' whether or not your grim predictions come true.
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Old 4th May 2013, 09:18
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As an interested observer of what is going on in the company, can someone spell out; what exactly is going on?

Leg called lots of redundancies to happen but it appears they haven't (or am i missing something?). Yet rather than admitting defeat, leg seems to continue to revel in his own crapulence and schadenfreude.

Can someone who is not a total provide some info please?
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Old 4th May 2013, 09:23
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What I gather from my mates at Flybe is that there were more people than expected who took the VSS making compulsory redundancies unnecessary. Also a 5% pay cut with a pro rata increase in days off/leave.

I believe that's the meat and veg of it although standing by to be corrected.

Edit, dunno if you think I'm a total though

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Old 4th May 2013, 21:09
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So the management achieved the number of redundancies they needed AND got everyone to take a 5% pay cut! They really do have a knack of screwing over the workforce at Flybe it would seem! I wonder if the Directors handed back any of their recent 18% pay rise?
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Old 5th May 2013, 09:21
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No, the 5% salary cut along with the number who took voluntary redundancy meant the cost savings required could be achieved. Without the salary deal, compulsory redundancies would have happened in addition to the voluntary ones.

Also, the 18% rise people bang on about was not a rise... It was an uplift that some got for promotions/additional responsibilities. Just like an FO gets when he achieves Capt. promotion.
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Old 5th May 2013, 17:18
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JC25....let me see if I have got this right.

I am a Board Director at Flybe and I could do with a little more in the bottom right hand corner each month. Difficult to justify when we need to get rid of people and if possible get them to work for less in their bottom right hand corner.

Ergo lets have a c#ck and bull story whilst we take what we can before moving on.....

Are you Flybe management by any chance???

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Old 6th May 2013, 06:17
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Also, the 18% rise people bang on about was not a rise...
And it was 2 years ago, since which the Directors (and all management), have had a pay freeze. There are also now fewer Directors, all of whom have agreed to an 8% pay reduction this year.

Not defending anyone, just stating the facts so a reasoned discussion can resume.
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Old 6th May 2013, 17:53
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It's a maximum of 5% to be decided shortly when it is determined how many people take the VSS. It is a maximum apparently.

However one must also consider that 5% was the exact amount of the payrise that was fought for long and hard for alot of years. Further consideration must be taken with regard to the fact that the crews forwent a payrise last year 2012, which was supposedly meant to be 2% and part of the latest negotiations that took place to assure pilots would finally be tracking the rise in costs of living. This request of foregoing the 2% was from the company to BALPA. I believe there was meant to be further discussion of a payrise this year, 2013? Perhaps an employee could clarify this?

It seems to me that it is about time that management took a hit and should lead from the front for a change and earn some respect. I believe that >/ 7% over the last 2 years is more than enough especially when it will be so hard to claw it back again.

BALPA suggest that they have agreements with the company and profit clauses etc so that crews will be able to get the paygrade back again but only if profits or crews are hired. The money lost however is supposed to be an investment in the future of the airline under the guise of saving their colleagues from redundancy. It all sounds a bit dubious when you consider that the company are ruthless in these matters and no doubt would have found that the action they wanted to take was possibly going to attract costly legal attention and therefore could fail. So why not take the 5% to pay for the moving costs of their colleagues and the legal research that may have taken place during the delay of information that seemed to occur to these guys/gals.
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Old 6th May 2013, 22:40
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DrumMachine - The 18% rise was in Q4 2012, not 2 years ago.

JC25 - Strangely enough, your comment about "promotions/additional responsibilities. Just like an FO gets when he achieves Capt. promotion." was the very line the Directors themselves used to justify the rise.

Looks like you were right RHINO!
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Old 6th May 2013, 22:59
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RHINO & RAFAT... No I am not Flybe management at all, just a trained monkey, one of those who was officially "at risk" of redundancy but luckily escaped the cull.

However I can read and think sensibly and don't just believe the conspiracies and rubbish passed off as fact by many here and in crew rooms. Just because I try and be objective doesn't mean I'm the enemy.

The management at Flybe certainly have questions to answer and have a lot of work to do, but it does no-one any good to ignore facts and focus on rumour and rubbish.

Pardon me for trying to clarify what appeared to be a misunderstanding. God forbid we let facts get in the way of a good bi*ching session! I should have known better.
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