FlyBe axing jobs
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Perhaps if they had done they would also be............................ ............................oh what's the word........................oh yes, competitive.
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Dash 8 Q400, $27M
Embraer 175, $28M
Boeing 737-800, list $84.4M......
Its not hard to see why a small airline went they way they did
Embraer 175, $28M
Boeing 737-800, list $84.4M......
Its not hard to see why a small airline went they way they did
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One an earlier post Mr Spandex I agree with the sentiment but I think the order is perhaps flawed.
1st. Engineers. We need them to get and keep the aircraft in the air. They are the utmost priority to keep in Flybe and, unfortunately the best seem to be leaving.
2nd. Pilots & Cabin Crew. They are the ones that move the aircraft (and the passengers) to their destinations safely. Again, unfortunately the best seem to be moving to other airlines who will probably give better T's & C's. Flybe beware I say!
Last, the management, we could survive with half of them, particularly at the top!
1st. Engineers. We need them to get and keep the aircraft in the air. They are the utmost priority to keep in Flybe and, unfortunately the best seem to be leaving.
2nd. Pilots & Cabin Crew. They are the ones that move the aircraft (and the passengers) to their destinations safely. Again, unfortunately the best seem to be moving to other airlines who will probably give better T's & C's. Flybe beware I say!
Last, the management, we could survive with half of them, particularly at the top!
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Whilst most of us agree that contracting out engineering and ground services posts is not a solution to the problems at Flybe, and making crew redundant will almost certainly lead to a shortage in the summer, perhaps what the management are actually doing is lowering the bottom line in preparation to sell the airline. The long-term effect of contracting out the above posts and making crew redundant would therefore be of no concern to them.
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Well I think it's a shame. I thought the product was just fine, going backwards and forwards LGW-NCL/EDI in summer 2011 to service our contracts. Admittedly the company was paying but the service was mainly ontime and fine.
As for Q400 drivers moving on, it's a tricky one. I think Rex overstates the case slightly as it may be a 'heavy' TP (compared with what ? A King Air ?) but for non type rated it's all about the weight of the aircraft you have flown and that isn't heavy enough.Admittedly some airlines still have ridiculous random goalposts for such things....
Saying you can join Flydubai is fine, but flying rotations to Afghanistan in the middle of the night and living in Dubai won't be everyone's cup of tea
Well I think it's a shame. I thought the product was just fine, going backwards and forwards LGW-NCL/EDI in summer 2011 to service our contracts. Admittedly the company was paying but the service was mainly ontime and fine.
As for Q400 drivers moving on, it's a tricky one. I think Rex overstates the case slightly as it may be a 'heavy' TP (compared with what ? A King Air ?) but for non type rated it's all about the weight of the aircraft you have flown and that isn't heavy enough.Admittedly some airlines still have ridiculous random goalposts for such things....
Saying you can join Flydubai is fine, but flying rotations to Afghanistan in the middle of the night and living in Dubai won't be everyone's cup of tea
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Monarch, BA, Thomson, FlyDubai, easyJet, Qatar and I'm sure many others consider the Q4 within their weight bandings for non-TR.
I'm not saying they'd be the first port of call when looking for crew but they're certainly not ruling them out all together.
I'm not saying they'd be the first port of call when looking for crew but they're certainly not ruling them out all together.
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As this thread title is "flybe axing jobs" lets get the thread back on track.
Hearing reports the company want to stick to the original plan and will
issue 80 odd redundancy notices next week, sad news. Seemingly
the future of the company depends on it and they will do whatever
it takes no matter how unpleasant.
Hearing reports the company want to stick to the original plan and will
issue 80 odd redundancy notices next week, sad news. Seemingly
the future of the company depends on it and they will do whatever
it takes no matter how unpleasant.
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It is true that the company will do whatever is necessary to make a financial saving but we're not quite at the the compulsory redundancy stage yet.
Leg, your information is inaccurate. Quite a number of pilots have already left the company for pastures (or deserts) new. alternative measures are still being considered, the major one being a cost saving initiative that will involve a reduction in pay in exchange for additional days off. A majority vote on this issue might be enough of a mandate for sufficient savings to be made in pilot employment costs to prevent compulsory redundancies.
Leg, your information is inaccurate. Quite a number of pilots have already left the company for pastures (or deserts) new. alternative measures are still being considered, the major one being a cost saving initiative that will involve a reduction in pay in exchange for additional days off. A majority vote on this issue might be enough of a mandate for sufficient savings to be made in pilot employment costs to prevent compulsory redundancies.
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Sad thing is, JF never encouraged loyalty with his pilots..infact he pretty much despised them and all those associated with trying to drive jersey European/Fly B into better pastures. As a supplier a while back, they were such late settlers of invoices that taking FB to court was a regular threat from our office..what comes around....etc!! sad for the pilots left cleaning up the corporate puke...
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Boing7117, sorry to burst your bubble but the company pay lip service to Balpa, always have and always will. They will do what they have to do to ensure their plans come through.
I have this from a contact so it's gospel.
There will be comp redundancies next week, maybe not 80 but near to that number.
The Balpa 5% pay cut ballot is a waste of time as the management are not interested or need it as job cuts will achieve the 5.5m saving which is what they wanted from the outset, see a pattern here? They get what they want, everything else is just wasting time and building false hopes.
It's not nice but watch as it comes true next week, you read it here first.
I have this from a contact so it's gospel.
There will be comp redundancies next week, maybe not 80 but near to that number.
The Balpa 5% pay cut ballot is a waste of time as the management are not interested or need it as job cuts will achieve the 5.5m saving which is what they wanted from the outset, see a pattern here? They get what they want, everything else is just wasting time and building false hopes.
It's not nice but watch as it comes true next week, you read it here first.
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Leg, whoever you are: Even if you DO have inside knowledge on what's going to happen, did you think for one second about the distress your remarks might be causing to those who think they are at risk from this unpleasantness? People who might be about to lose potentially everything? So you can look all in-the-know on an anonymous forum?? You total ****.
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Thanks for your insight Leg from your contact on the inside.
I look forward to receiving my redundancy letter next week then, and when I do, once I've got round to deciding how I'm going to make ends meet and all that, I must remember to drop you a PM to say how correct you were.
But if I don't, and if my colleagues don't because we've managed to work with the company to make the necessary savings, will you revisit this thread and make a formal apology to me and my colleagues for your insensitive, crass and questionable statements regarding my future and the future of my colleagues at Flybe?
You better do.
I look forward to receiving my redundancy letter next week then, and when I do, once I've got round to deciding how I'm going to make ends meet and all that, I must remember to drop you a PM to say how correct you were.
But if I don't, and if my colleagues don't because we've managed to work with the company to make the necessary savings, will you revisit this thread and make a formal apology to me and my colleagues for your insensitive, crass and questionable statements regarding my future and the future of my colleagues at Flybe?
You better do.
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As if this entire process isn't stressful enough as it is already.
It's probably best not to speculate on anything at the moment.
Hope when d-day comes, we all are ok. In the meantime, my outbox is still full of speculative cvs.
This entire process has been horrific from the start.
It's probably best not to speculate on anything at the moment.
Hope when d-day comes, we all are ok. In the meantime, my outbox is still full of speculative cvs.
This entire process has been horrific from the start.
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I am trying to give you some information here guys, that's all, do not shoot the messenger. I cannot say where I heard this, but it is A1. My intention is not to alarm anyone, indeed, have you been asleep? It is to warn the people who think if they stick their head in the sand it will all go away, I have news for you IT WILL NOT. I take no joy whatsoever bringing this news, but felt it would forewarn those who are at risk, or would you rather find out next week you have no job, get real for 
sake people.
I say again, the company are not interested in Balpas 5% proposal as it stands, but I guess the ballot is so vague we could be voting for anything. The company want the 5% to be PERMANENT. Even if Balpa go off to consider it, the next meeting is on the 20th so hardly enough time.
And for those calling me names on here, I would accept a 5% pay cut to save jobs, even permanent but Balpa are not being truthful to you over this.
sake people.I say again, the company are not interested in Balpas 5% proposal as it stands, but I guess the ballot is so vague we could be voting for anything. The company want the 5% to be PERMANENT. Even if Balpa go off to consider it, the next meeting is on the 20th so hardly enough time.
And for those calling me names on here, I would accept a 5% pay cut to save jobs, even permanent but Balpa are not being truthful to you over this.
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And of course, Leg, the pilots at Flybe do not realise their jobs are currently at risk? I take it you think they all sit glued to their computer screens, pprune especially, just waiting to plan their next career move based only on seeing what the latest rumour is from an anonymous talking head on an Internet rumour forum.
For those of us who act realistically in these situations of course we have been making alternative plans so no one has their head in the sand. But you have offered nothing but baseless second hand information, which for all you know could be someone either having their wires crossed or deliberately feeding you duff information.
You have then delivered this "information" in a highly crass way to people on here rather than just adopting a take it with a pinch of salt wait and see approach. In the meantime I'm sure people are aware that it might be a good idea to make alternative plans.
All you are doing is winding up people currently under enormous amounts of stress, with the attitude that you are important because you and you alone have this "exclusive information" that no one else has access to. For that reason that is why people are calling you a troll.
For those of us who act realistically in these situations of course we have been making alternative plans so no one has their head in the sand. But you have offered nothing but baseless second hand information, which for all you know could be someone either having their wires crossed or deliberately feeding you duff information.
You have then delivered this "information" in a highly crass way to people on here rather than just adopting a take it with a pinch of salt wait and see approach. In the meantime I'm sure people are aware that it might be a good idea to make alternative plans.
All you are doing is winding up people currently under enormous amounts of stress, with the attitude that you are important because you and you alone have this "exclusive information" that no one else has access to. For that reason that is why people are calling you a troll.
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You don't have to dig too far back through this dudes posts to see how credible his "gospel" source is... In November he confirmed we would be merging with Virgin. Leave it with you!