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What you’re describing is akin to the pressures that come from nearly any job where one is earning a six figure salary.
You’re flying one of the most sophisticated bits of kit out there with corresponding automation levels doing a job that is done tens of thousands of times a day globally with very few issues. It is not rocket science or pioneering/high-risk surgery.
Tiring/stressful/hardwork etc – yes of course, but that’s what the company is paying you for – probably at a cost of around £10k/month. Why not work part-time?
You’re flying one of the most sophisticated bits of kit out there with corresponding automation levels doing a job that is done tens of thousands of times a day globally with very few issues. It is not rocket science or pioneering/high-risk surgery.
Tiring/stressful/hardwork etc – yes of course, but that’s what the company is paying you for – probably at a cost of around £10k/month. Why not work part-time?
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Hmm was the USA system that started the decline! European conditions seem to lag ten years behind the states! A quick glance at Ppjn and you can see nobody in Europe wants that!
If you hate easy so much look else where! I know few people who like working for easy, but you will get no sympathy from most of the uk industry! You either put up with it and enjoy the the bits you like or quit. Good luck finding a job with the same pay/time off, if you do please let me know where, I will join ŷou!!!!
If you hate easy so much look else where! I know few people who like working for easy, but you will get no sympathy from most of the uk industry! You either put up with it and enjoy the the bits you like or quit. Good luck finding a job with the same pay/time off, if you do please let me know where, I will join ŷou!!!!
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Hi guys thanks for your support, I have recieved several Private messages from colleagues that also feel the same as me.
As for some of the comments on here, that is why I never ever post on here.
I have CHIRPED today.
Have you seen the transfer lists for MXP CDG ORY? Take a long time to get there, and it will be the same crap different faces, apart from no cadets or flexi guys.
Unfortunately, I have no kids or any sick relatives, so I am at the companies merci.
I think a completely new challenge is in order. I intend to leave ASAP.
FANS
Correct it's not rocket science I agree, but it is bloody hard work isn't it, when you are flying 5 days of 4 sectors, lose all sbys, flying with in experienced kids who think they know it all, and especially with the challenging winter ahead. Tired over stressed Captains do not make the best pilots do they, but maybe you are a better captain then me. Scary isn't it looking to the left and seeing only my reflection, realising I'm flying all alone.
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So you also agree that you look at flight international then, staring blankly at the jobs section. Maybe your level of satisfaction has not yet reached my low levels just yet, but give it time and you soon will.
I am afraid I value my health, my social life, and the people around me and it's not all about the 100k I earn a year, more to life than sitting in a dirty smelly orange airbus thinking about the pay cheque.
I do believe that there is a couple of better places than Easyjet, which I will endeavour to sniff out.
Great to hear that you are so satisfied in your job!
As for some of the comments on here, that is why I never ever post on here.
I have CHIRPED today.
Have you seen the transfer lists for MXP CDG ORY? Take a long time to get there, and it will be the same crap different faces, apart from no cadets or flexi guys.
Unfortunately, I have no kids or any sick relatives, so I am at the companies merci.
I think a completely new challenge is in order. I intend to leave ASAP.
FANS
Correct it's not rocket science I agree, but it is bloody hard work isn't it, when you are flying 5 days of 4 sectors, lose all sbys, flying with in experienced kids who think they know it all, and especially with the challenging winter ahead. Tired over stressed Captains do not make the best pilots do they, but maybe you are a better captain then me. Scary isn't it looking to the left and seeing only my reflection, realising I'm flying all alone.
Adm
So you also agree that you look at flight international then, staring blankly at the jobs section. Maybe your level of satisfaction has not yet reached my low levels just yet, but give it time and you soon will.
I am afraid I value my health, my social life, and the people around me and it's not all about the 100k I earn a year, more to life than sitting in a dirty smelly orange airbus thinking about the pay cheque.
I do believe that there is a couple of better places than Easyjet, which I will endeavour to sniff out.
Great to hear that you are so satisfied in your job!
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If this poster doesn't win the most selfcentred person on Pprune Award who will! Never seen so many I this, I that, I such etc. in one post!
Me thinks you will never be happy anywhere as soon as you find out that you need the company and their pay more than that they need you....
Me thinks you will never be happy anywhere as soon as you find out that you need the company and their pay more than that they need you....
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WIND UP!!!!
100k? That's excluding the 20k you're sacrificing into your pension for tax purposes, your company pension contributions, both share schemes, the free shares, divis, the profit share scheme and not forgetting the free champers darling!
I really don't have anything to complain about at easy and nor do many. Except of course the flexi-crew issue.
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100k? That's excluding the 20k you're sacrificing into your pension for tax purposes, your company pension contributions, both share schemes, the free shares, divis, the profit share scheme and not forgetting the free champers darling!
I really don't have anything to complain about at easy and nor do many. Except of course the flexi-crew issue.
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I survived my standby today and the last few standby's. Your picture of life at Ezy doesn't match mine, I'm also based at LGW in the left seat and have had very little disruption on my roster (touch wood). I know that's not always the case with everyone and some get it worse than others.
I'm quite happy here, yes things are not perfect but find me an airline that is. I think the package is very competitive and don't think there is anything much better for short haul out there at least based on a proper contract. However everyone is different and deals with things differently so you just have to find the right balance.
Flexiscrew mind is a whole other issue that needs sorting and I will stand by my collegues with whatever action is required.
easyJet plane = easyJet pilot.
I'm quite happy here, yes things are not perfect but find me an airline that is. I think the package is very competitive and don't think there is anything much better for short haul out there at least based on a proper contract. However everyone is different and deals with things differently so you just have to find the right balance.
Flexiscrew mind is a whole other issue that needs sorting and I will stand by my collegues with whatever action is required.
easyJet plane = easyJet pilot.
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- Earn £90k+, (I know it's not quite as much as you but read on)
- 99.9% of my days are two sector days (the longest sector is 3.5hrs),
- I have FOUR sectors this MONTH and TWO next MONTH (the longest is 2.5hrs), I've only asked for eight days leave in those two months,
- This summer I rarely flew more than three days in a row,
- I have NEVER been called off a standby, I've had three changed in advance this year,
- I've done four hundred hours this year, give or take,
- I work for a UK airline, it's not a"major" and it's not on your list.
How's that sound?
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I work for a similar(maybe even the same) outfit as you, my roster has 2 flights and a sim in the next 7 weeks, grrreat!
But you gotta ask yourself, can it last?
As much as I know I am in a very privileged position on a legacy contract, the word legacy looms bigger every day. I suspect i will end my career working, hopefully, for the same firm, but with T&Cs that will turn me into a bitter and twisted knasher of teeth!
The only difference between me and the OP is that he is knashing his teeth several years earlier than I am. Those on here who are supportive of the LoCo way of life a) probably don't know wwhat they are being denied as they never experienced it in the first place and b) want to see how many applications that Virgin and Emirate ET AL have on file from LoCo skippers all dying to go back to the RH Seat.
OP, your decision is made, walk away before it kills you inside, but in all honesty, don't expect your next billet to be ultimately much better.
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just about anything which doesn't have LoCo or regional attached to it!!
I work for a similar(maybe even the same) outfit as you, my roster has 2 flights and a sim in the next 7 weeks, grrreat!
But you gotta ask yourself, can it last?
As much as I know I am in a very privileged position on a legacy contract, the word legacy looms bigger every day. I suspect i will end my career working, hopefully, for the same firm, but with T&Cs that will turn me into a bitter and twisted knasher of teeth!
The only difference between me and the OP is that he is knashing his teeth several years earlier than I am. Those on here who are supportive of the LoCo way of life a) probably don't know wwhat they are being denied as they never experienced it in the first place and b) want to see how many applications that Virgin and Emirate ET AL have on file from LoCo skippers all dying to go back to the RH Seat.
OP, your decision is made, walk away before it kills you inside, but in all honesty, don't expect your next billet to be ultimately much better.
AdeM
just about anything which doesn't have LoCo or regional attached to it!!
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OP/ AGAIG'ts.
There are plenty of A319/A320 jobs going around the globe so you have nothing to lose by looking at them. Why not try a European base? Are you on the transfer list? It's not just different faces but I get the feeling you know that anyway
No point posting here as you won't change anything.
Good luck.
There are plenty of A319/A320 jobs going around the globe so you have nothing to lose by looking at them. Why not try a European base? Are you on the transfer list? It's not just different faces but I get the feeling you know that anyway
No point posting here as you won't change anything.
Good luck.
Speaking as a flexicrew pilot at a uk base, with a sick relative mind, be careful what you wish for... I reckon easyJet, on a perm contract is a pretty good place to be.
Yes you work hard at times, 5 days of earlies then moving to late night flights next block is tough. However I agree that the perm contracts are pretty competitive, as has been mentioned, a decent basic, pension, free shares, buy and save as you earn. All benefits flexicrew are not entitled to, oh but we did get the champagne... Good job security, home most nights and from LGW a varied route network. Nothing is perfect, my advice is to just not read any of the wonderful emails we get from the hangar. You will get the same in most companies I imagine.
I hope balpa have success in their campaign, as on reasonable and fair terms and conditions I think easy would not be the worst place.
Yes you work hard at times, 5 days of earlies then moving to late night flights next block is tough. However I agree that the perm contracts are pretty competitive, as has been mentioned, a decent basic, pension, free shares, buy and save as you earn. All benefits flexicrew are not entitled to, oh but we did get the champagne... Good job security, home most nights and from LGW a varied route network. Nothing is perfect, my advice is to just not read any of the wonderful emails we get from the hangar. You will get the same in most companies I imagine.
I hope balpa have success in their campaign, as on reasonable and fair terms and conditions I think easy would not be the worst place.
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Long haul or Charter is the only way to operate out of LGW. Big airport, big hassle if operating on a daily basis. Therefore I agree with the guys who suggest, moving to another base.
Easy has always struggled to define it's product and has high staff costs compared to the Blue and Yellow one. In these tough times price is king and although some folk will pick and choose to avoid the Irish carrier. Profits still count and the crew are the easiest cost to attack.
I'm not sure what your original motivation was for a position at the pointy end? or if you came from another career beforehand. But maybe a bit of time off, do something relaxing and consider the big picture. I know many friends in similar position and part-time worked well for them.
Easy has always struggled to define it's product and has high staff costs compared to the Blue and Yellow one. In these tough times price is king and although some folk will pick and choose to avoid the Irish carrier. Profits still count and the crew are the easiest cost to attack.
I'm not sure what your original motivation was for a position at the pointy end? or if you came from another career beforehand. But maybe a bit of time off, do something relaxing and consider the big picture. I know many friends in similar position and part-time worked well for them.
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At ezy we do packs off take off so we don't have to worry about that.....plus the ecam always gives you a little bing at an inconvenient moment....not that I ever forget......ahem!!
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Too far-fetched you're thinking?
I am not LGW based (but have been). It is busier at LGW, no doubt about it, and there is far more inexperience to deal with, but I certainly didn't find it as dire as mentioned here. At other bases like my own it's actually a very good job to many. Few complain. Yes it has it's moments, and busy times in the summer, but Mrs B&B works 9-5, Mon-Fri and says I'm always at home! No airline is everyone's cup of tea, and easyJet certainly isn't, but I like it. If I was younger, maybe BA but I wouldn't leave EZY for anyone else right now, certainly not any UK airline.
I wish As_good_as_it_gets well in finding a more suitable job. As I say, it's not for everyone and it's clearly not for him. Fact of life.
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As good as it gets, are you in your random month? If so I do have some sympathy, those three weeks suck all the motivation out of a pilot. How other people work a full time random roster I don't know.
Otherwhise, as others have stated quite clearly, it is what YOU make of it. And to be honest, I think you are your worst enemy in this. Tell me how I can take your complaints seriously if you choose to make an issue out of single pack GROUND operations and flap 3 landings?
You must learn to take responsibility for your own happiness. If working long days with cadets is not for you, then do something about it. easyJet presents many opportunities in this regard. You could have moved to Italy. Many did before you. But then I'm sure you would moan about the amount of sectors or the fact that you have to cross the Alps on a daily basis, or that they all speak Italian. Or you could have put yourself on the part time list much earlier. But you didn't.
Ask yourself this. Six years ago you were happy to take this job. Nothing much has changed in easyJet since then. Things have actually become a bit better. You got your command. Your pay soared. You are in charge of how you conduct your day. So why are you now unhappy?
Otherwhise, as others have stated quite clearly, it is what YOU make of it. And to be honest, I think you are your worst enemy in this. Tell me how I can take your complaints seriously if you choose to make an issue out of single pack GROUND operations and flap 3 landings?
You must learn to take responsibility for your own happiness. If working long days with cadets is not for you, then do something about it. easyJet presents many opportunities in this regard. You could have moved to Italy. Many did before you. But then I'm sure you would moan about the amount of sectors or the fact that you have to cross the Alps on a daily basis, or that they all speak Italian. Or you could have put yourself on the part time list much earlier. But you didn't.
Ask yourself this. Six years ago you were happy to take this job. Nothing much has changed in easyJet since then. Things have actually become a bit better. You got your command. Your pay soared. You are in charge of how you conduct your day. So why are you now unhappy?
The original poster is crying for help!
He is not the only one, in my base about 15% of the skippers, mostly guys in their late forties with 20+ years in aviation, are desperate for a part time as they can't handle a full time anymore.
A couple of them are close to a nervous breakdown, the company knows this but refuses the part time contracts. They are even told by the base captain that if they can't handle a fulltime they should be looking for another job!
My advice: as good as it gets, go and see a doctor, I think you need some time off.
He is not the only one, in my base about 15% of the skippers, mostly guys in their late forties with 20+ years in aviation, are desperate for a part time as they can't handle a full time anymore.
A couple of them are close to a nervous breakdown, the company knows this but refuses the part time contracts. They are even told by the base captain that if they can't handle a fulltime they should be looking for another job!
My advice: as good as it gets, go and see a doctor, I think you need some time off.