Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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Hell folks!
I'm attending to the Norwegian 737 FO screening with OSM in Oslo on February 8th, any other pilots attending the same day to share some information and the taxi to the OSM office?
I'm attending to the Norwegian 737 FO screening with OSM in Oslo on February 8th, any other pilots attending the same day to share some information and the taxi to the OSM office?
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@APU_inop not correct. Waiting time for a scandi base at the moment currently down to 6 months or less. That can and will change(for better or worse), but dont disregard the opportunity. We are talking FO`s here. Upgrade with Scandi base currently running at six years. With eurobase...tomorrow ;-)
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How long did it take after you did the online tests until you heard from them?
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How many hours do you have ?
Any 737 ?
Which position did you apply for ? (I mean TR FO or NTR)
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Any info about upgrades / bases... When appointed with a permanent base as FO can you remain in the base after completion of the upgrade or are you forced to change base?
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To be qualified to enter the command upgrade selection process you need to have been in the company for 1 year, with 2 sim checks graded good or better. You'll then be able to apply for the selection process consisting of a sim check, interview and technical exam, and if you pass the selection you'll be put on a command course according to your seniority.
You will then be asked to bid for your 3 preferred bases and will be given your base during ground school. Generally, you will be placed wherever the company needs you and upon completion of final line check you'll be given whatever base that was specified as your 'release base'. At the next base bidding process you can then request your preferred base and again, seniority according to MSL applies as to who gets what. In short, you're entering a bit of a lottery. Some people with good seniority sometimes get to stay, but in general, expect a move to one of the less popular bases.
You will then be asked to bid for your 3 preferred bases and will be given your base during ground school. Generally, you will be placed wherever the company needs you and upon completion of final line check you'll be given whatever base that was specified as your 'release base'. At the next base bidding process you can then request your preferred base and again, seniority according to MSL applies as to who gets what. In short, you're entering a bit of a lottery. Some people with good seniority sometimes get to stay, but in general, expect a move to one of the less popular bases.
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Unfortunately, there is no reference to a Master Seniority List, upgrade selection or base bidding rights in the employment contract between the pilot(s) and their staffing agency employer, OSM. In any dispute, pilots have no recourse via an Employment Tribunal (UK), or other options against those making the decisions, i.e. Norwegian airline managers. Previously, pilots who agreed a base after being hired and later refused a base change during ground school, faced a “take it or leave it” ultimatum.
Norwegian’s LGW based pilots pay union dues to BALPA for representation to staffing agency, OSM, with whom they have a Collective Labor Agreement. However, the option for trade union representation and a CLA directly with the Norwegian AIRLINE exists, as follows:
OSM CEO, Espen Hoiby, recently stated the company "adherence to the International Labor Organization core conventions on freedom of association, organizing and collective bargaining” – link:
http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH
Norwegian’s CEO, Bjorn Kjos, also declares his compliance with ILO conventions (allegedly) – link:
http://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/co...y/human-worth/
The ILO guide to Employment Relationships in Europe details the legal criteria to determine the Norwegian airline to be the employer of the pilots. The UK is a signatory to ILO conventions. A previous UK court ruling found;
“For instance, in Dacas v. Brook St Bureau (2004) ICR 1437, the court found that “as a general (but not invariable) rule for employment law purposes a temp supplied by an employment agency to an end-user client [a Norwegian airline] will be an employee of the client and will be neither self employed nor an employee of the agency itself” - link:
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf
BALPA recently fought and won a case against Jet2 described as “an important case on trade union rights”. BALPA General Secretary said; “this case proves that where it is necessary BALPA will robustly defend our right and duty to stand up for pilots and their interests” – link:
http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/...rk-legal-case/
Given the ILO conventions, pledges of ILO compliance by Espen Hoiby and Bjorn Kjos, and BALPA’s declaration to “stand up for pilots and their interests”, why do Norwegian’s pilots, the “united” Norwegian Pilot Group, not demand their BALPA (and SEPLA) union dues are used to represent them directly to the Norwegian AIRLINE rather than staffing agency, OSM?
Norwegian’s LGW based pilots pay union dues to BALPA for representation to staffing agency, OSM, with whom they have a Collective Labor Agreement. However, the option for trade union representation and a CLA directly with the Norwegian AIRLINE exists, as follows:
OSM CEO, Espen Hoiby, recently stated the company "adherence to the International Labor Organization core conventions on freedom of association, organizing and collective bargaining” – link:
http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH
Norwegian’s CEO, Bjorn Kjos, also declares his compliance with ILO conventions (allegedly) – link:
http://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/co...y/human-worth/
The ILO guide to Employment Relationships in Europe details the legal criteria to determine the Norwegian airline to be the employer of the pilots. The UK is a signatory to ILO conventions. A previous UK court ruling found;
“For instance, in Dacas v. Brook St Bureau (2004) ICR 1437, the court found that “as a general (but not invariable) rule for employment law purposes a temp supplied by an employment agency to an end-user client [a Norwegian airline] will be an employee of the client and will be neither self employed nor an employee of the agency itself” - link:
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf
BALPA recently fought and won a case against Jet2 described as “an important case on trade union rights”. BALPA General Secretary said; “this case proves that where it is necessary BALPA will robustly defend our right and duty to stand up for pilots and their interests” – link:
http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/...rk-legal-case/
Given the ILO conventions, pledges of ILO compliance by Espen Hoiby and Bjorn Kjos, and BALPA’s declaration to “stand up for pilots and their interests”, why do Norwegian’s pilots, the “united” Norwegian Pilot Group, not demand their BALPA (and SEPLA) union dues are used to represent them directly to the Norwegian AIRLINE rather than staffing agency, OSM?
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Norwegian (sorry OSM) must be under the impression that they have become an "employer of choice" , contrary to all the evidence presented here, and the fact that most applicants I know of are of the "minimum experience" variety.
According to an erstwhile colleague the selection now goes something like this
Most of the people failing
6 online tests
Screening day from 8 til 16
Interview
Group exercise
Technical interview
Compass test 90 min
And then after all this
Simulator
Seems they are under the impression that the harder they make it, the more the applicant may believe it is worthwhile . . . . word to the wise, it isn't.
According to an erstwhile colleague the selection now goes something like this
Most of the people failing
6 online tests
Screening day from 8 til 16
Interview
Group exercise
Technical interview
Compass test 90 min
And then after all this
Simulator
Seems they are under the impression that the harder they make it, the more the applicant may believe it is worthwhile . . . . word to the wise, it isn't.
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Bondi and Playstation,
You really are a couple of plums. We all know you are upset about how your careers with Norwegian ended. However, your constant hijackiing of these threads to express your discontent takes up an inordinate amount of bandwidth. There are actually pilots who are asking genuine questions who would actually like relevant information rather than propaganda from a couple of embittered ex-employees. Please grow up boys.
You really are a couple of plums. We all know you are upset about how your careers with Norwegian ended. However, your constant hijackiing of these threads to express your discontent takes up an inordinate amount of bandwidth. There are actually pilots who are asking genuine questions who would actually like relevant information rather than propaganda from a couple of embittered ex-employees. Please grow up boys.
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adolf,
my last post described the current selection process as it was relayed to me, which part of "Norwegian Pilot Selection" does that fail to address ? or, am I not allowed to add my own opinions on how worthwhile it is to put yourself through it ? don't worry, just utilise the correct handshake & you too can be welcomed to the brotherhood. . . . sorry, "Norwegian Family".
my last post described the current selection process as it was relayed to me, which part of "Norwegian Pilot Selection" does that fail to address ? or, am I not allowed to add my own opinions on how worthwhile it is to put yourself through it ? don't worry, just utilise the correct handshake & you too can be welcomed to the brotherhood. . . . sorry, "Norwegian Family".
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adolf,
I fully respect the right of anyone seeking employment, or change, to ask any question(s) in their endeavors and wish them every success.
I have sought to correct misinformation and provide relevant information, including union representation and to whom, in order that prudent choices may be made by prospective applicants. Remember, some pilots may be leaving a career with an airline to join Norwegian via a 3-year fixed term, temporary “career” with a staffing agency.
My post on the previous page details the way to a more secure working relationship directly with the Norwegian airline for ALL their pilots, rather than the present fragile and insecure relationship via a service provider. This outcome is desired by the Norwegian Pilot Group and stated on their website – link:
http://norwegianpilotgroup.org/
The US based cabin crews have achieved some success with the help of the National Mediation Board. Unfortunately, Norwegian is obstructing their Collective Labor Agreement by refusing roster changes for two representatives to attend negotiation meetings. Spanish pilots are also facing obstruction in their CLA with Orient Ship Management and a non-airline, Norwegian Resource Group. Spanish cabin crews have threatened to strike if they cannot achieve representation directly to the Norwegian airline.
With the inordinate Kjos propaganda of Norwegian’s expansion and reported desperate need for pilots, combined with last summer’s debacle of thousands of passengers left stranded and distraught by cancelled flights due to a lack of pilots, there may never be a better bargaining opportunity.
Perhaps you, or any other person, can provide a reason why Norwegian’s pilots continue to pay union dues for representation to a staffing agency, when the ability to have union representation, a CLA and associated labor rights directly with the Norwegian airline is available.
I fully respect the right of anyone seeking employment, or change, to ask any question(s) in their endeavors and wish them every success.
I have sought to correct misinformation and provide relevant information, including union representation and to whom, in order that prudent choices may be made by prospective applicants. Remember, some pilots may be leaving a career with an airline to join Norwegian via a 3-year fixed term, temporary “career” with a staffing agency.
My post on the previous page details the way to a more secure working relationship directly with the Norwegian airline for ALL their pilots, rather than the present fragile and insecure relationship via a service provider. This outcome is desired by the Norwegian Pilot Group and stated on their website – link:
http://norwegianpilotgroup.org/
The US based cabin crews have achieved some success with the help of the National Mediation Board. Unfortunately, Norwegian is obstructing their Collective Labor Agreement by refusing roster changes for two representatives to attend negotiation meetings. Spanish pilots are also facing obstruction in their CLA with Orient Ship Management and a non-airline, Norwegian Resource Group. Spanish cabin crews have threatened to strike if they cannot achieve representation directly to the Norwegian airline.
With the inordinate Kjos propaganda of Norwegian’s expansion and reported desperate need for pilots, combined with last summer’s debacle of thousands of passengers left stranded and distraught by cancelled flights due to a lack of pilots, there may never be a better bargaining opportunity.
Perhaps you, or any other person, can provide a reason why Norwegian’s pilots continue to pay union dues for representation to a staffing agency, when the ability to have union representation, a CLA and associated labor rights directly with the Norwegian airline is available.
