Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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The latest development in the destruction of the parent company NAS, is that the Danish part of "Core" PSD (Pilot Services Denmark ) has gone over to NAI (the Irish AOC), so one third of "Core" dead & buried , with ARN base & PSS due to follow within a year.
It is therefore only a matter of time before "Norwegian Norwegian" (PSN) is relegated to a distant memory, along with Scandi T's & C's. Already this Summer NAS used Go2Fly flight deck flying Damp lease for Norwegian with LN-NII on Slovakian AOC . . . . with interesting consequences on one occasion. . . . . "Core" CC were reportedly unimpressed with the hired helps way of doing things.
As reported to me, (seems the report is being kept in house. . . until now )
" They are flying with slovakian cockpit and norwegian Cabin crew
But they were flying from Kjevik airport in norway on friday, ENCN
in the beginning it was volantary for CC to fly with them, But now they are forced, Forced to fly on another AOC? okey nevetheless
On take-off they got Config Warning, and the crew was so stressed that they shut down both engines, on the runway, Hahah so everything became dark
No info to pax
And during the startup of the engines again, The cabincrew were walking in the Aisle, to calm down the passangers, And after they started the engines, They just Took off, with the Cabin crew standing in the Aisle And when they reached 10 000ft, they got Cabin altitude warning, They forgot the Packs, hahaha
So the SEnior, took on her mask, and went to the Cockpit, opened the door by emergency code
got some useless explenation in bad english
after landing in Osl, all CC members went off, refusing to fly more "
It is therefore only a matter of time before "Norwegian Norwegian" (PSN) is relegated to a distant memory, along with Scandi T's & C's. Already this Summer NAS used Go2Fly flight deck flying Damp lease for Norwegian with LN-NII on Slovakian AOC . . . . with interesting consequences on one occasion. . . . . "Core" CC were reportedly unimpressed with the hired helps way of doing things.
As reported to me, (seems the report is being kept in house. . . until now )
" They are flying with slovakian cockpit and norwegian Cabin crew
But they were flying from Kjevik airport in norway on friday, ENCN
in the beginning it was volantary for CC to fly with them, But now they are forced, Forced to fly on another AOC? okey nevetheless
On take-off they got Config Warning, and the crew was so stressed that they shut down both engines, on the runway, Hahah so everything became dark
No info to pax
And during the startup of the engines again, The cabincrew were walking in the Aisle, to calm down the passangers, And after they started the engines, They just Took off, with the Cabin crew standing in the Aisle And when they reached 10 000ft, they got Cabin altitude warning, They forgot the Packs, hahaha
So the SEnior, took on her mask, and went to the Cockpit, opened the door by emergency code
got some useless explenation in bad english
after landing in Osl, all CC members went off, refusing to fly more "
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It is not, unfortunately. . . . but, I do stand corrected as regards keeping the Scandi T's & C's, & am happy to report that an ex colleague in one of the pilot associations has told me
"Both.
Over the winter starting 1. JAN.
But they keep the Scandinavian CLA
and no change of employer. "
So, not as much of a disaster as I was fearing. . . . . . don't know of course how it is working out for the Cabin Crew, who were always on a very good deal in Norway ( & indeed good luck to them in retaining same
)
Edited with evidence of "not joking" . . . . . . .
Short summary:
• 4 November, Norwegian B738, Kristiansand to Oslo
• Go2Sky flight crew; Norwegian Air Shuttle cabin crew
• tension exists amongst crews over employment T&Cs
• two-hour delay prior to departure
• aborted takeoff due to T/O CONFIG warning
• stopped on the runway, shut down both engines, started APU
• after five minutes started both engines again and commenced takeoff
• no communication from the flight deck during the whole time
• the cabin crew was still walking around the cabin, calming the passengers down (some wanted to get off the aircraft) when the takeoff commenced
• C/C rushed to their seats during the takeoff run
• after the initial climb, the crew received a CAB ALT warning
• the alarm could've been heard from the cabin
• it was later found that the air conditioning systems were not operating
• cabin crew figured something was not right; donned their oxygen equipment
• they tried to obtain any kind of information from the flight deck; unsuccessful; tried to enter the cockpit using the emergency code
• flight crew unlocked the door; very little information was exchanged due to language barriers
• the aircraft maintained FL150 during the whole flight (FL300 usual)
• landed in Oslo
• cabin crew demanded the flight crew make an announcement explaining what everyone had to go through
• pilots just mentioned 'operating a wrong switch'
• due to the total breakdown of CRM and communications, cabin crew disembarked and ended duty
• Norway's AIBN reported to 'have not received any report matching the flight data'
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4a1ae8c4&opt=0
"You think safety is expensive ? try looking at the cost of an accident " . . . . . . . nuff said.
"Both.
Over the winter starting 1. JAN.
But they keep the Scandinavian CLA
and no change of employer. "
So, not as much of a disaster as I was fearing. . . . . . don't know of course how it is working out for the Cabin Crew, who were always on a very good deal in Norway ( & indeed good luck to them in retaining same
)Edited with evidence of "not joking" . . . . . . .
Short summary:
• 4 November, Norwegian B738, Kristiansand to Oslo
• Go2Sky flight crew; Norwegian Air Shuttle cabin crew
• tension exists amongst crews over employment T&Cs
• two-hour delay prior to departure
• aborted takeoff due to T/O CONFIG warning
• stopped on the runway, shut down both engines, started APU
• after five minutes started both engines again and commenced takeoff
• no communication from the flight deck during the whole time
• the cabin crew was still walking around the cabin, calming the passengers down (some wanted to get off the aircraft) when the takeoff commenced
• C/C rushed to their seats during the takeoff run
• after the initial climb, the crew received a CAB ALT warning
• the alarm could've been heard from the cabin
• it was later found that the air conditioning systems were not operating
• cabin crew figured something was not right; donned their oxygen equipment
• they tried to obtain any kind of information from the flight deck; unsuccessful; tried to enter the cockpit using the emergency code
• flight crew unlocked the door; very little information was exchanged due to language barriers
• the aircraft maintained FL150 during the whole flight (FL300 usual)
• landed in Oslo
• cabin crew demanded the flight crew make an announcement explaining what everyone had to go through
• pilots just mentioned 'operating a wrong switch'
• due to the total breakdown of CRM and communications, cabin crew disembarked and ended duty
• Norway's AIBN reported to 'have not received any report matching the flight data'
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4a1ae8c4&opt=0
"You think safety is expensive ? try looking at the cost of an accident " . . . . . . . nuff said.
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Buenas Angry Birds,
How was the assesment going? Did you do it already? Where? I am about to complete my online tests and I would like to know how long did it take for OSM to date you for the compass tests, interview, roll play, etc.
How was the assesment going? Did you do it already? Where? I am about to complete my online tests and I would like to know how long did it take for OSM to date you for the compass tests, interview, roll play, etc.
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What about commuting bases?
does the company ask you to move to another base with just one month of notice? I mean if you are in BCN, then next month you have to move to LGW or FCO?
does the company ask you to move to another base with just one month of notice? I mean if you are in BCN, then next month you have to move to LGW or FCO?
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trancada, yes.
Any Spanish mainland base can result in a Winter (or two ) in the Canarias, lovely place, but, a bit of a commute depending on where home is.
They tried to forcefully rebase people from Spain to FCO (on inferior conditions ) but SEPLA (the Spanish Union ) intervened successfully.
Couple of years ago some guys were "removed" from LGW & sent packing to MAD to be replaced by more junior Capts who happened to be line trainers.
In a word, base stability is not a foregone conclusion, even during company conversion course people have had the "offer" changed with a clear choice, "accept or goodbye".
Any Spanish mainland base can result in a Winter (or two ) in the Canarias, lovely place, but, a bit of a commute depending on where home is.
They tried to forcefully rebase people from Spain to FCO (on inferior conditions ) but SEPLA (the Spanish Union ) intervened successfully.
Couple of years ago some guys were "removed" from LGW & sent packing to MAD to be replaced by more junior Capts who happened to be line trainers.
In a word, base stability is not a foregone conclusion, even during company conversion course people have had the "offer" changed with a clear choice, "accept or goodbye".
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They are slow learners when it comes to admitting their mistakes (pilot strike Feb 2015 being the glowing example, along with expensive wet leases becoming the norm, in preference to the long-term cheaper solution of fixing it with decent employment conditions )
If you keep beating your head against a drystane dyke it eventually feels normal (doesn't it ?
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If you keep beating your head against a drystane dyke it eventually feels normal (doesn't it ?
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Transatlantic Crew Bases - Pilots and FAs?
Can someone clarify whether this indicates Norwegian will be hiring US-based pilots for the 737MAX as well or just FAs? I had heard about the U.S. 787 recruitment but not for the MAX. Also, will these crew members at these new "transatlantic crew bases" in Europe (EDI and Riga) just fly the MAX? Is that the plan? Separate from the intra-Europe 737NG flying?
Norwegian fixes Providence, Newburgh as US TATL bases - ch-aviation.com
Norwegian fixes Providence, Newburgh as US TATL bases - ch-aviation.com
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It is of course possible that the Donald overturns the DoT, I personally think it's unlikely, the DoT despite 3 years deliberating over NAI application could not find any cause to reject it and it was the threat of arbitration that moved them to approve. It is worth remembering that even if Donald was to decide that Norwegian a large buyer of Boeing aircraft was more important than China,Russia, banning Muslims, building a wall with Mexico and so on, it changes nothing, Norwegian have the rights under their open skies deal with Europe to fly to the states, it just makes it a bit more messy for them, that's all AND if the D did overturn the approval it just takes us back to where we were a few weeks back.
The EU would seek arbitration, even if that went against Norwegian still nothing changes, although the EU would then seek redress starting with a recipical ban on a US airline none of which is likely, while all of this will no doubt bring glee to the detractors it changes absolutely nothing.
I would ask DB & co just what changes they would like to see, for me it would be direct employment, forget flying on a Norwegian national contract, the business model won't work, if Ryanair said tomorrow that they were starting long haul on their Irish AOC nobody would blink an eyelid, Ireland does not have less safety oversight than Norway, the labour laws might more business friendly, so what, that's true of many countries that fly to the US, what employment protection do EK crews have? In fact it's only in socialist Europe & the US that these rights exsist
Let's see what the Donald does once he's sworn in, he won't be interested in the US unions who bank rolled Hillary.
Norwegian have a fleet of 120 Boeing aircraft with hundreds more on order, by the end of 2017 the long haul fleet will number 21 787's alone
The EU would seek arbitration, even if that went against Norwegian still nothing changes, although the EU would then seek redress starting with a recipical ban on a US airline none of which is likely, while all of this will no doubt bring glee to the detractors it changes absolutely nothing.
I would ask DB & co just what changes they would like to see, for me it would be direct employment, forget flying on a Norwegian national contract, the business model won't work, if Ryanair said tomorrow that they were starting long haul on their Irish AOC nobody would blink an eyelid, Ireland does not have less safety oversight than Norway, the labour laws might more business friendly, so what, that's true of many countries that fly to the US, what employment protection do EK crews have? In fact it's only in socialist Europe & the US that these rights exsist
Let's see what the Donald does once he's sworn in, he won't be interested in the US unions who bank rolled Hillary.
Norwegian have a fleet of 120 Boeing aircraft with hundreds more on order, by the end of 2017 the long haul fleet will number 21 787's alone
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Over the last 4 or so years I have witnessed all sorts of 'experts' who have ended up eating humble pie or their own hats over what Norwegian will or won't achieve in the long/short haul market, all to a man have been wrong, time after time, I very much doubt Trump will over turn the DoT he is a an hotieler and hotel need customers.
Whilst there are aspects of their business model I don't agree with, they could do much the same with Spanish (European cabin crew) I have flown long haul with all the major carries ex London and the Norwegian product at least in premium is up there with the best of them on a like for like basis.
Time will tell but but money and bookings are on Norwegian continuing to grow its long haul base.
The spat with Boeing over the Airforce one is over a couple of 747's not 250 aircraft, money talks and Trump is no socialist looking to protect Delta airlines and the rest of the chapter 11 escapees
Over the last 4 or so years I have witnessed all sorts of 'experts' who have ended up eating humble pie or their own hats over what Norwegian will or won't achieve in the long/short haul market, all to a man have been wrong, time after time, I very much doubt Trump will over turn the DoT he is a an hotieler and hotel need customers.
Whilst there are aspects of their business model I don't agree with, they could do much the same with Spanish (European cabin crew) I have flown long haul with all the major carries ex London and the Norwegian product at least in premium is up there with the best of them on a like for like basis.
Time will tell but but money and bookings are on Norwegian continuing to grow its long haul base.
The spat with Boeing over the Airforce one is over a couple of 747's not 250 aircraft, money talks and Trump is no socialist looking to protect Delta airlines and the rest of the chapter 11 escapees
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It's far from over, in fact it's only just beginning, the airline is profitable, win best low cost airline year in year out, its growth is out pacing easyJet, flights are full, especially long haul, more importantly it is the first true pan European airline in operational infrastructure.
Let's revisit this at the end of January, Norwegian detractors are so embittered they see only what fit their narrow narrative.
Let's revisit this at the end of January, Norwegian detractors are so embittered they see only what fit their narrow narrative.
There will be a 'conversion' type course for those with a 737-800 TR and opportunities given to those that express an interest.
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You know the answer to your own question, but let me answer it for you.
Pilots will be employed by OSM Aviation on permanent contracts, OSM Aviation is 50% owned by Norwegian.
Pilots will be subject to the labour laws of their country of employment, so if you are based LGW or EDI it will be (is) UK labour law.
This is not a FR type self employed/Director of some obscure Irish off the shelf company, you will pay all relevant taxes per your country tax code and national insurance.
The road show in Edinburgh is part of an ongoing recruitment drive for both TR and NTR Captains & First officers.
It is intended that EDI will be a 738 MAX base only at least to start with, the road show is not about EDI base.
You know the answer to your own question, but let me answer it for you.
Pilots will be employed by OSM Aviation on permanent contracts, OSM Aviation is 50% owned by Norwegian.
Pilots will be subject to the labour laws of their country of employment, so if you are based LGW or EDI it will be (is) UK labour law.
This is not a FR type self employed/Director of some obscure Irish off the shelf company, you will pay all relevant taxes per your country tax code and national insurance.
The road show in Edinburgh is part of an ongoing recruitment drive for both TR and NTR Captains & First officers.
It is intended that EDI will be a 738 MAX base only at least to start with, the road show is not about EDI base.