Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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If you are a contract captain I undestand that they can offer only a Core FO position????
I read to that if you take a core FO position you can take a leave of absence and remain as a contract captain.
Buy you can remain a Contract captain as much as you want???
I read to that if you take a core FO position you can take a leave of absence and remain as a contract captain.
Buy you can remain a Contract captain as much as you want???
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The agreement with the Union is max 2 years on "leave of absence".
Current bunch of "Core FO's" on LOA will have used 12mths of their 24 mths basket after they spend some time up North on temporary core Command this Summer.
Therefore, I doubt if anyone can reliably answer what the future will bring until Summer 2015 . . . . finally NAS need Capts in left seat (not right) so no doubt some "acommodation" will be negotiated.
We have Core FO's who have been on "Temporary Command" - in core bases, NOT as Contractors (usually for 6mths at a time) for 4 years or more, so . . . . . . NAS do wish to use you as a Commander .
Current bunch of "Core FO's" on LOA will have used 12mths of their 24 mths basket after they spend some time up North on temporary core Command this Summer.
Therefore, I doubt if anyone can reliably answer what the future will bring until Summer 2015 . . . . finally NAS need Capts in left seat (not right) so no doubt some "acommodation" will be negotiated.
We have Core FO's who have been on "Temporary Command" - in core bases, NOT as Contractors (usually for 6mths at a time) for 4 years or more, so . . . . . . NAS do wish to use you as a Commander .
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Let say I get a contract as a captain in a new base like madrid, after 2 years what happens? They offer me a core FO position in the north and use the leave to remain as a captain in that base but still under contract until a slot as a core captain is available? Or to remain as a captain in madrid I still need to be as contract captain?
Sorry to bother you but I worked in companies with full seniority or no seniority, but never in companies with both.
Sorry to bother you but I worked in companies with full seniority or no seniority, but never in companies with both.
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No you will work 2 years with the agency and then permanent employment in
the same base in the same seat. You can apply for a core position(Norway, Denmark,Sweden) but if you get one you will go on the bottom of the seniority list and therefore move to the right hand seat.
the same base in the same seat. You can apply for a core position(Norway, Denmark,Sweden) but if you get one you will go on the bottom of the seniority list and therefore move to the right hand seat.
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According to rumour, Core vacancies will no longer be offered after the two year agency contract. Outside of Scandi bases, we will all (allegedly) be offered permanent positions with NAS UK, NAS Finland, NAS Spain etc. according to our base. So, if you're a MAD based Captain, that's how you'll remain, no core FO position, no LOA etc.
Good if you're in the right base. Not so good if you want a Scandi base. Hopefully some core positions will be created by any (limited) expansion within those bases.
Good if you're in the right base. Not so good if you want a Scandi base. Hopefully some core positions will be created by any (limited) expansion within those bases.
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If I remember when I joined, there was never an offer of "Core Position" after a specified time period, basically if vacancies arose, you could bid if you wished. There were (if I remember ) 50 such vacancies in 2012 & 36 in 2013, a small percentage compared to the 300+ contractors joining in the period.
There were a bunch of guys & gals given "Temporary K area contracts" when they joined last Spring, it appears some of these may have been extended, so these folk effectively have a core contract (out of seniority). The justification given was that most line training for new entrants takes place in Scandilands where more short sectors are available, this however doesn't really justify these individuals being used in an ongoing fashion. More of these "new entrant K area contracts" will take place this year + the company has recently advertised "temporary Core FO positions" (don't know how many ) for which many Contract Capts applied in the hope they would have "temporary Core Capt" for Summer. . .a ploy that will probably work, as NAS can ill afford to have Capts languishing in the RHS.
It is a very complicated situation, and the NAS seniority list is quite something to behold. The root cause, of course, is the Unions desire to have everything done according to seniority, however, so many variations have taken place that the list is a "dogs dinner of convenience" heavily modified to take account of the fact that NAS need Capts in the LHS not RHS.
I would imagine it will continue like this as long as the expansion continues, or until a common seniority exists as agreed with the Union last Autumn.
As posted above, don't contemplate a core position if you join now, as you are several hundred places down a list that is not shrinking appreciably. What you will (or at least should ) be offered is a permanent position with a "wholly owned NAS subsidiary at your base" after 2 years (but note "extendable in exceptional circumstances to 3" . . .and it was in HEL ) however, as I stated in my post #23 in the Norwegian A320NEO thread , lets wait till March & see what HEL crew are offered & exactly what constitutes a "wholly owned subsidiary company"
There were a bunch of guys & gals given "Temporary K area contracts" when they joined last Spring, it appears some of these may have been extended, so these folk effectively have a core contract (out of seniority). The justification given was that most line training for new entrants takes place in Scandilands where more short sectors are available, this however doesn't really justify these individuals being used in an ongoing fashion. More of these "new entrant K area contracts" will take place this year + the company has recently advertised "temporary Core FO positions" (don't know how many ) for which many Contract Capts applied in the hope they would have "temporary Core Capt" for Summer. . .a ploy that will probably work, as NAS can ill afford to have Capts languishing in the RHS.
It is a very complicated situation, and the NAS seniority list is quite something to behold. The root cause, of course, is the Unions desire to have everything done according to seniority, however, so many variations have taken place that the list is a "dogs dinner of convenience" heavily modified to take account of the fact that NAS need Capts in the LHS not RHS.
I would imagine it will continue like this as long as the expansion continues, or until a common seniority exists as agreed with the Union last Autumn.
As posted above, don't contemplate a core position if you join now, as you are several hundred places down a list that is not shrinking appreciably. What you will (or at least should ) be offered is a permanent position with a "wholly owned NAS subsidiary at your base" after 2 years (but note "extendable in exceptional circumstances to 3" . . .and it was in HEL ) however, as I stated in my post #23 in the Norwegian A320NEO thread , lets wait till March & see what HEL crew are offered & exactly what constitutes a "wholly owned subsidiary company"
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Assessment
Post #302 ( just a few up from this, so I hope you prepare better for your assesment than you do reading a thread) has all the info you need,
Very relaxed and they are not to bothered what sops you use,
Good luck
Very relaxed and they are not to bothered what sops you use,
Good luck
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When I joined there was no Sim assessment Phew ! 
others have posted details here though. If I remember correctly it was eng failure V1 /raw data dep/ single engine FD NPA (or ILS , can't remember) In the past there was some raw data (or at least non LNAV ) hold entries, which I am led to believe screwed a few people. If you trawl through all the recent NAS threads on here there is more info , as the above is just from memory.
The emphasis appears to be on good CRM / multi crew ops , obviously a good standard of handling, & familiarity with your bird. I have heard no horror stories & it appears if you perform to the level of a reasonable PC there should be no problems at that stage.
others have posted details here though. If I remember correctly it was eng failure V1 /raw data dep/ single engine FD NPA (or ILS , can't remember) In the past there was some raw data (or at least non LNAV ) hold entries, which I am led to believe screwed a few people. If you trawl through all the recent NAS threads on here there is more info , as the above is just from memory. The emphasis appears to be on good CRM / multi crew ops , obviously a good standard of handling, & familiarity with your bird. I have heard no horror stories & it appears if you perform to the level of a reasonable PC there should be no problems at that stage.
ha ha! You shall reap what you sow! 
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So guys/girls if im based in say AGP and want to get to say LPL how does the commuting work? Am I positioning AGP to scandi land then down to LPL or can I use my ID90 on say an easyjet and if so are these limited? Thanks in advance been on the search for a 73 job back in europe for a while not had much luck (although some my own fault)
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Commuting from Spain is no better no worse than the LGW guys living elsewhere in the UK have to contend with. You could fly free with NAS from AGP to LGW, but the train home would cost an arm & a leg, even if there was one running at the appropriate time, &. . . if not LGW based, you will not have a car park pass so will have to spend a fortune on parking if you choose to drive in the atrocious UK traffic. Most Spanish based guys living in central/N England appear to use Ryanair/Easy/Thompson or whoever they can find flying close to home. You have the roster on the 16th of the mth, so are booking flights from 2 - 6 weeks ahead. My commute is costing me around 400-500€ /mth in tickets for a 3 hr flt.
As always, commuting is a choice, which most of us do as the lesser of 2 evils , in an attempt to reconcile home life/work. It is easy /free on NAS, but the lack of routes N of LGW in the UK doesn't help. That "may" change at some stage if the (vague) rumour of MCR/LPL comes to pass, but it is not a frequently mooted one (apart from the guys living there
)
As always, commuting is a choice, which most of us do as the lesser of 2 evils , in an attempt to reconcile home life/work. It is easy /free on NAS, but the lack of routes N of LGW in the UK doesn't help. That "may" change at some stage if the (vague) rumour of MCR/LPL comes to pass, but it is not a frequently mooted one (apart from the guys living there
)