EASA Licensing / FCL Gatwick
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Can anyone lend me 35 quid, your licence comes out of the printer as an a4 sheet, the young lady walks it to the counter with a small multi page plastic wallet, smiles all round, 7 weeks of waiting is over. You get home, cut it up to fit the wallet, bung it into your bag and forget about it.
Why does life become more like a Victor Meldrew sketch as you get older?
I am going to put the new one into the old cover as at least you can get your passport etc in there, or is that not allowed under rule 1313245.5 sub part 13 AMC 2232123 which is available only in French at the moment.
One foot in the grave.........
Why does life become more like a Victor Meldrew sketch as you get older?
I am going to put the new one into the old cover as at least you can get your passport etc in there, or is that not allowed under rule 1313245.5 sub part 13 AMC 2232123 which is available only in French at the moment.
One foot in the grave.........
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Having trawled through the 800 odd pages of this latest bureaucratic maelstrom, once you have an Easa licence you can still add type ratings obtained outside the EU, subject to the appropriate fee a type rating check ride and 500 hour ?
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Yes, indeed you can, but its 500 hours 'flying experience', sim time whether it be ZFT sims or not does not count towards those hours I'm led to believe,
The new CAP804 is not good at all & as I found out recently can be misinterpreted.
The new CAP804 is not good at all & as I found out recently can be misinterpreted.
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Time taken to issue new PPL from CAA
I applied for my PPL (new licence, not conversion) on 10th Dec. Astonishingly it actually arrived today, so one month, or three weeks if you account for the CAA being off between Christmas and New Year.
I'll be sure not to cut it up into pieces, having read this thread!
I'll be sure not to cut it up into pieces, having read this thread!
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I sent in the docs via courier yesterday for an ATPL unfreeze, they should be in there tomorrow. I have a UK medical conducted at the CAA itself, printed logbook signed on all pages, a certification from my employer confirming my hours, the skills test form and the payment form which I sent (I did not send a copy of my medical as they surely must have it there). I was told by a phone operator it should take around four weeks to get it.
Both the examiner was an English TRE and the simulator was in LGW (Oxford). On paper this should be really straight forward for them, yet somehow I'm slightly anxious they will bounce the application and I'll be stuffed. Between EASA, UK specific regulation, and all the other flippin' regulations it's very hard for me to keep track. Especially as I did the skills test under the old jar regulations and not under the new EASA requirements, though I was assured I would get an EASA ATPL.
Anybody any real-world estimates? License expires 28/02. Please advise. :P
Both the examiner was an English TRE and the simulator was in LGW (Oxford). On paper this should be really straight forward for them, yet somehow I'm slightly anxious they will bounce the application and I'll be stuffed. Between EASA, UK specific regulation, and all the other flippin' regulations it's very hard for me to keep track. Especially as I did the skills test under the old jar regulations and not under the new EASA requirements, though I was assured I would get an EASA ATPL.
Anybody any real-world estimates? License expires 28/02. Please advise. :P
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drfaust,
I did exactly the same as you, all t's crossed, and i's dotted, with a large proportion of my flight time logged overseas in dark parts of the world. Issue time, including the Festive period, 5.5 weeks. License arrived about 5 working days after they took the payment.
Hope that helps.
I did exactly the same as you, all t's crossed, and i's dotted, with a large proportion of my flight time logged overseas in dark parts of the world. Issue time, including the Festive period, 5.5 weeks. License arrived about 5 working days after they took the payment.
Hope that helps.
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I just recieved confirmation that my application for state of transfer has been accepted, however I was told the following -
"Please note that although ******* is an Operator we recognise as employing pilots with ‘LV’ privileges, we cannot grant you this privilege as part of the initial issue of your EASA ATPL because your most recent test was conducted with an Irish Examiner and not with the Operator itself"
Can anybody shed any light on this?
"Please note that although ******* is an Operator we recognise as employing pilots with ‘LV’ privileges, we cannot grant you this privilege as part of the initial issue of your EASA ATPL because your most recent test was conducted with an Irish Examiner and not with the Operator itself"
Can anybody shed any light on this?
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Apologies for bumping this, however I'm still a little confused with this cutting business, and with a transfer soon i'd like to clarify.
I have read the CAA pamphlet referenced, and the applicable format details are contained in Appendix I to Annex VI PART-ARA, of EU Commission Regulation No 290/2012. In it, I can see no stipulation it must be on ONE piece of A4. In fact, on page L100/27, it says "Size of each Page shall be one-eighth A4" - which indicates to me you NEED to cut it up.
Does anyone have a definitive reference (other than CAA 'guidance' material) which states it must remain one piece of paper?
I have read the CAA pamphlet referenced, and the applicable format details are contained in Appendix I to Annex VI PART-ARA, of EU Commission Regulation No 290/2012. In it, I can see no stipulation it must be on ONE piece of A4. In fact, on page L100/27, it says "Size of each Page shall be one-eighth A4" - which indicates to me you NEED to cut it up.
Does anyone have a definitive reference (other than CAA 'guidance' material) which states it must remain one piece of paper?
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Definitely do NOT cut your licence - it WILL invalidate it and you'll be required to pay forty something quid for a new one. That's a fact - straight from the UK CAA. I called up and asked. You could do the same if you aren't sure. But with 100% assurance I can tell you that cutting the licence to fit the book will invalidate that licence. Don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i converted my licence last week in gatwick , and i can also confirm that if you cut it , it will invalidate your licence (the lady took the time to make it clear when she gave it to me )
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Surely the constant enquiries about cutting the license up due to the user unfriendly format should indicate to the CAA that they have made an error in interpretation of EASA rules?
As I understand it, some other CAAs are producing licenses in more user friendly formats.
As I understand it, some other CAAs are producing licenses in more user friendly formats.
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EASA Licence Format
Hi all
In CAP804 (which replaced LASORS), there is a purple shaded box at the top right of a "Sample Part-FCL Licence" at Section 1 Part C Appendix 2 which reads "Pilots are not permitted to cut up their licence as its format and layout is stiplulated by EASA REgulations".
I have seen further reference somewhere else in CAP 804 but can't find it now! Hope this helps. Do Not Cut up your Licence even though it seems as though it's designed to be cut into the 8 segments outlined which are exactly the dimensions to fit into the new mini licence holder; rather naughty
In CAP804 (which replaced LASORS), there is a purple shaded box at the top right of a "Sample Part-FCL Licence" at Section 1 Part C Appendix 2 which reads "Pilots are not permitted to cut up their licence as its format and layout is stiplulated by EASA REgulations".
I have seen further reference somewhere else in CAP 804 but can't find it now! Hope this helps. Do Not Cut up your Licence even though it seems as though it's designed to be cut into the 8 segments outlined which are exactly the dimensions to fit into the new mini licence holder; rather naughty
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Cutting Up EASA ATPL
Hi Guys
For those of you who have cut up your nice new EASA ATPL (like I did) check your licence very carefully and also get it checked by a TRE, if you or the TRE find any errors then inform the CAA and they will send you a new one for free.
In my case they missed the LV endorsement and from what a number of TRE's have told me, they have seen quite a number of errors and omissions.
Hope this helps some and better than paying £46.
For those of you who have cut up your nice new EASA ATPL (like I did) check your licence very carefully and also get it checked by a TRE, if you or the TRE find any errors then inform the CAA and they will send you a new one for free.
In my case they missed the LV endorsement and from what a number of TRE's have told me, they have seen quite a number of errors and omissions.
Hope this helps some and better than paying £46.
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Thanks for your input guys, however maybe what I said has been a little misunderstood...
Can anyone direct me to the EASA regulation the CAA are referring to? Flying Wild seems to be in my corner here, I think they are misinterpreted the guidance from EASA. Without wanting to seem like I have a 'I know better than CAA' type attitude, after looking at the rules I still think it's ok to cut it.
Incidentally, I know many will think folding/cutting etc type discussions are perhaps a little pointless, as it's only a licence, however it's a source of pride for me. I earnt it - I want to keep it nice!
Can anyone direct me to the EASA regulation the CAA are referring to? Flying Wild seems to be in my corner here, I think they are misinterpreted the guidance from EASA. Without wanting to seem like I have a 'I know better than CAA' type attitude, after looking at the rules I still think it's ok to cut it.
Incidentally, I know many will think folding/cutting etc type discussions are perhaps a little pointless, as it's only a licence, however it's a source of pride for me. I earnt it - I want to keep it nice!
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha
What a joke the UK CAA are turning into over these licences.
A complete laughing stock!
Not a practical common sense brain cell between them all, but plenty of huge salaries!
What a joke the UK CAA are turning into over these licences.
A complete laughing stock!
Not a practical common sense brain cell between them all, but plenty of huge salaries!
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It is hugely irritating that the CAA are effectively a law unto themselves. They come up with crap ideas and there is no way to challenge the mindless automatons who work there.