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What are the bets that it's not actually mandated by EASA that the license should be in that particular format, but that the CAA have chosen to interpret things that way?
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I bet the other eurocountries will still have a Concertina jobbie just like they always have had.
The chopping up of the old UK JAR licenses used to send some mental screaming that it was now invalid. Then it was shown that they were talking rubbish.
Looks like they have had their way.
And I reckon Flying Wild is correct.
Sensible thing would be to allow you to chop it down the middle so that the License bit could be plastic coated and the ratings bit could be left to be written on.
They are going to end up having to replace them every 3-4 years with a multiple folded sheet like that.
The chopping up of the old UK JAR licenses used to send some mental screaming that it was now invalid. Then it was shown that they were talking rubbish.
Looks like they have had their way.
And I reckon Flying Wild is correct.
Sensible thing would be to allow you to chop it down the middle so that the License bit could be plastic coated and the ratings bit could be left to be written on.
They are going to end up having to replace them every 3-4 years with a multiple folded sheet like that.
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Chopped mine up in 8 as well, as TRE told me to do so with previous licence. The wallet provided by the CAA has multiple plastic pockets, what else are they to be used for other than the medical? Multiple EASA licences? Makes no sense, my last LPC has already been signed off recently, no comment from TRE other than there is no space for the number and signature. I would certainly not even consider asking for a replacement licence. If some inspector wants it all in once piece, I will carry around some sticky tape just for the occasion.....If that's not good enough, tough. Then there will be some company NTC about it afterwards, 'following a recent incident, crews are reminded that licences are not to be chopped up, blah blah blah.
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There is a 1 cm x 1 cm sized box for the TRE to sign and another for their licence number in the revalidation section, that's not going to work, I am proud to say I cut mine up and I am now looking forward to spending another 35 quid and waiting 6 weeks for the replacement, if these idiots worked in the real world they would be sacked in a month for not being fit for purpose. Why issue a licence holder that is exactly the same size as the cut panels with multiple pages and not mention that actually its a joke licence holder just to catch out idiots like me.
Before I write to the CAA and tell them what I have done is everyone sure that cutting it up makes it invalid?
Before I write to the CAA and tell them what I have done is everyone sure that cutting it up makes it invalid?
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Engineer licensing
Have any of you guys an insight to the effect this is having on maintenance engineer licensing at the CAA, my licence is in for renewal and if I don't get it back by renewed the second week in January I can't work and as a post holder if I don't have a licence then the company approval will become invalid and can't continue to work.
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Oh and on the issue of cutting the licence pages to fit the plastic book I was told by the CAA that the licence was intended to be cut and on at least three occasions during company audits my engineers licence has in its cut state has been inspected by the CAA auditors without comment. I can't see why the reasoning should be any different for my ATPL.
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Oh and on the issue of cutting the licence pages to fit the plastic book I was told by the CAA that the licence was intended to be cut and on at least three occasions during company audits my engineers licence has in its cut state has been inspected by the CAA auditors without comment. I can't see why the reasoning should be any different for my ATPL.
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Oh I'm way too lazy for any of that cutting up nonsense. I just folded it up and stuck it in my old green folder. I worked hard for that and don't see any reason to stop using it now, or is someone going to come on and say its invalid if carried in the wrong wallet. I expect so. 
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LV abbreviation
next to my ratings is written LV, which i suppose is low vis but if u look in the
abbreviations section LV is nowhere to be found, i guess that would cause some
confusion when someone hands over the licence to non eu caa for revalidation.
abbreviations section LV is nowhere to be found, i guess that would cause some
confusion when someone hands over the licence to non eu caa for revalidation.
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Who at the CAA told you this ? And is it written down as offical policy or is it the opinion of one of the minions.
Any how I won't now be cutting the A4 piece of paper that is so clearly intended to be cut up into pages and put in the plastic book that the CAA supply because of the way the pages are numbered.
It will now remain in one piece making it imposable to read without removing it from the clear plastic case that is intended to display it with ease.
All can ask is who makes up these rules and why are we paying them to do so, it seems like a money making scam and a good reason to fire some of the parasites that feed on the hard working people in the aviation business.
Any how I won't now be cutting the A4 piece of paper that is so clearly intended to be cut up into pages and put in the plastic book that the CAA supply because of the way the pages are numbered.
It will now remain in one piece making it imposable to read without removing it from the clear plastic case that is intended to display it with ease.
All can ask is who makes up these rules and why are we paying them to do so, it seems like a money making scam and a good reason to fire some of the parasites that feed on the hard working people in the aviation business.
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Please see the following UK CAA document: CAP 804 Part 1 Appendix 2 "Sample Part-FCL Licence" dated May 2012. In the bottom right-hand corner of page 1 of the document it clearly states: "Pilots are not permitted to cut up their licence as its format and layout is stipulated by EASA regulations."
You can find this information on the UK CAA website.
You can find this information on the UK CAA website.
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FPA
You are correct. The LV endorsement is a new one and refers to your qualification to operate in conditions below CAT1. A revalidation including such a qualification should be written by the TRE as, for example, B737 300-900/IR/LV. Without it your SAFA ramp inspection following a CAT3 approach could lead to an "interesting" conversation with the inspector.
You are correct. The LV endorsement is a new one and refers to your qualification to operate in conditions below CAT1. A revalidation including such a qualification should be written by the TRE as, for example, B737 300-900/IR/LV. Without it your SAFA ramp inspection following a CAT3 approach could lead to an "interesting" conversation with the inspector.
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It sounds to me as if this has only been the case since the issue of this document, and so should only be applicable to licences issued after the document as issued as cutting the licence was common practice and never a problem given the format it was issued in.
It is clear that this runs counter to any common sense when you look at the plastic book that is issued to keep the licence in.
Still it is plane stupid of me to expect any form of logic or common sence when EASA is involved.
Any how thank you 1965 for finding the referance document.
It is clear that this runs counter to any common sense when you look at the plastic book that is issued to keep the licence in.
Still it is plane stupid of me to expect any form of logic or common sence when EASA is involved.
Any how thank you 1965 for finding the referance document.
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