Iberia to Lose 4500 jobs - 25 airframes
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What's wrong with Capitalists? If you continue to stick your head in the sand and assume the world around you supports the continuous strike threats and strikes, then think again. Iberia and Spain are in such a deep mess they need a reality check, and maybe your strike is the right thing to do, in terms of putting the final nail in the Iberia coffin - i.e. go the same way as Spanair.
The public may have respect for people whom want to fight for their jobs, but has zero respect for those whom want to strike at the time of year when it will hurt the public the most. I have my contingency plan.
The public may have respect for people whom want to fight for their jobs, but has zero respect for those whom want to strike at the time of year when it will hurt the public the most. I have my contingency plan.
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The flight leaving with spare seats and 'Yes there were seats' is a common one.
If they processed the staff when the flight closed 40 minutes before leaving the job could be done quickly.
More so why put all staff on standby when there are plenty of seats and no problems that could reduce those numbers?
Why not set levels so that you get all on board sharpish? It's plain daft.
If they processed the staff when the flight closed 40 minutes before leaving the job could be done quickly.
More so why put all staff on standby when there are plenty of seats and no problems that could reduce those numbers?
Why not set levels so that you get all on board sharpish? It's plain daft.
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(And I would agree with you 100% on partnering with LAN rather than Iberia for long-haul!)
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IB employees seem completely unable to adapt to methods used by a different carrier
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Too funny reading the comments from the loonie left knocking "capitalist" . Maybe these union goons should go and live in Cuba for a while and then we'll have a more enlightened conversation about reality.
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Both IAG and BA are suing SEPLA. Unsurprisingly, the action is being launched in the UK courts.
IAG - International Airlines Group - News Release=
IAG - International Airlines Group - News Release=
IAG and British Airways have lodged a claim in the UK High Court against SEPLA, the Iberia pilots' union, and the International Federation of Airline Pilots Association in relation to the strikes that SEPLA undertook against the creation of Iberia's subsidiary Iberia Express in late 2011 and early 2012. This claim is not related to the recently announced restructuring of Iberia.
The claim is made under European law which provides that airline groups should be free to establish air services across Europe. IAG is seeking a declaration that its EU rights were infringed and British Airways is seeking damages because the strikes affected its business, causing it to incur financial loss.
British Airways is also seeking redress for the reputational damage it suffered because of false accusations made by SEPLA that British Airways misappropriated Iberia funds and that the strikes were intended to prevent the transfer of Iberia's business to British Airways.
Under EU law, any strike action against the establishment and provision of intra-European airline services must be justifiable, proportionate and non-discriminatory. Iberia's pilots suffered no changes in their terms and conditions and faced no redundancies due to the creation of Iberia Express but, directed by SEPLA, carried out strike action on 18 days between December 2011 and April 2012.
The claim is made under European law which provides that airline groups should be free to establish air services across Europe. IAG is seeking a declaration that its EU rights were infringed and British Airways is seeking damages because the strikes affected its business, causing it to incur financial loss.
British Airways is also seeking redress for the reputational damage it suffered because of false accusations made by SEPLA that British Airways misappropriated Iberia funds and that the strikes were intended to prevent the transfer of Iberia's business to British Airways.
Under EU law, any strike action against the establishment and provision of intra-European airline services must be justifiable, proportionate and non-discriminatory. Iberia's pilots suffered no changes in their terms and conditions and faced no redundancies due to the creation of Iberia Express but, directed by SEPLA, carried out strike action on 18 days between December 2011 and April 2012.
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On a less than full flight they will only issue boarding passes to the staff at the very last minute, despite there being plenty of seasts available. The passes are printed then held back.
Been there, suffered that. Just to point out that it is a local BA rule. You don't get that on IB operated flights, but they are told to make staff wait until the last minute on BA flights by local BA managers. Apparently one of the explanations is that it's something to do with the possibility of having to check in excess cabin baggage, so they do it to the staff rather than annoying commercial passengers. But I don't think that's the main reason, as they hold your boarding pass even on half empty flights. On an IB flight, you are given the boarding pass as soon as possible. As per the priorities, gate staff have no say in that, and if they followed the BA policy, you wouldn't even be at the gate without a seat, as seats are given when the flight closes and it's done landside. In LHR, if there are no seats at closing time, you don't fly, even if there are 20 no-shows at the gate, as you cannot go to the gate without a seat. They don't have a say in that. It's all down to the handled airline local reps. They are not trained in priorities, because, as per BA policy, no staff passengers should be onloaded at the gate.
Just to clarify this point.
On a less than full flight they will only issue boarding passes to the staff at the very last minute, despite there being plenty of seasts available. The passes are printed then held back.
Been there, suffered that. Just to point out that it is a local BA rule. You don't get that on IB operated flights, but they are told to make staff wait until the last minute on BA flights by local BA managers. Apparently one of the explanations is that it's something to do with the possibility of having to check in excess cabin baggage, so they do it to the staff rather than annoying commercial passengers. But I don't think that's the main reason, as they hold your boarding pass even on half empty flights. On an IB flight, you are given the boarding pass as soon as possible. As per the priorities, gate staff have no say in that, and if they followed the BA policy, you wouldn't even be at the gate without a seat, as seats are given when the flight closes and it's done landside. In LHR, if there are no seats at closing time, you don't fly, even if there are 20 no-shows at the gate, as you cannot go to the gate without a seat. They don't have a say in that. It's all down to the handled airline local reps. They are not trained in priorities, because, as per BA policy, no staff passengers should be onloaded at the gate.
Just to clarify this point.
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They are not trained in priorities, because, as per BA policy, no staff passengers should be onloaded at the gate.
If there are spaces available and the full checked in load shows a minimum of 10% free space then check-in will issue you with boarding cards with seats prinited on them.
The ONLY reason you would get through to the gate without a designated seat is if you agreed on a tight flight that you would take your chances at the gate. The only station which does not allow blank cards to the gate is LHR T5, that is not a function of BA but a function of the DfT who won't allow passengers without allocated seating through security. Don't believe me then have a look at how many staff are at the gate in LGW for a popular commuter flight.
If the Captain then decides to release jump seats at this point or there is a late no show then you will get your seat. That can only be completed once the flight has been closed and it can be confirmed that no more commercial passengers are coming. The reason it take until the last minute is that the dispatcher must reconcile the seats available and confirm with the Captain if the jump seats are being released. This only happens on a full flight with overbooking. I've been through Malaga several times in the past on ST and never had a problem except when the flight has been way overbooked. Then I've progressed through to the gate with a blank card to get the cockpit J/S if needed.
There is no 'ba rule or policy' it is merely governed by the standard ST regs and local station regulation. Neither would ST passengers be left behind due excess cabin baggage. The gate staff have no authority to issue seat allocation at the desk, they need the authority of the dispatcher for that, who is, usually, quite busy.
Thread creep over.
The only station which does not allow blank cards to the gate is LHR T5,
I have flown as a passenger EZE-MAD-EZE with IB on last week. It was surprising to me the bad attitude the Cockpit Crew and Cabin Crew had in both sectors.
First of all, all the Crew arrived separate to the gate carrying duty free bags.
From EZE to MAD the Captain did two announcements, the first one at the HOLDING POINT...and the second one well bellow 10,000 ft...
In the way back it was much worst without ANY communication or greeting from the cockpit to the passengers in a 12 hrs daylight sector...
Cabin crew service was regular to bad, they didn't offer any duty free during both sectors.
It was very annoying the cabin crew offering coffe or tea shouting like they were selling in the street.
Safety concern was the command of slide disarm before reaching the gate.
Most of the passenger stand up immediately while the aircraft was stile taxing to the gate.
Finally, IB employees don't remember what their company did with Aerolineas Argentinas and VIASA more a decade ago...the same than BA is doing now.
First of all, all the Crew arrived separate to the gate carrying duty free bags.
From EZE to MAD the Captain did two announcements, the first one at the HOLDING POINT...and the second one well bellow 10,000 ft...
In the way back it was much worst without ANY communication or greeting from the cockpit to the passengers in a 12 hrs daylight sector...
Cabin crew service was regular to bad, they didn't offer any duty free during both sectors.
It was very annoying the cabin crew offering coffe or tea shouting like they were selling in the street.
Safety concern was the command of slide disarm before reaching the gate.
Most of the passenger stand up immediately while the aircraft was stile taxing to the gate.
Finally, IB employees don't remember what their company did with Aerolineas Argentinas and VIASA more a decade ago...the same than BA is doing now.
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Additional Route Rationalisation
IBERIA Cancels 3 More Mid/Short-Haul Destinations in 2013 | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates
CAI, IST and ATH to be cancelled in the New Year and a limited service during specific periods
A sign of more to come no doubt...
CAI, IST and ATH to be cancelled in the New Year and a limited service during specific periods
A sign of more to come no doubt...
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Finally, IB employees don't remember what their company did with Aerolineas Argentinas and VIASA more a decade ago...the same than BA is doing now
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I do not think the Iberia name will disappear but the airline as an entity could very well vanish.
Vueling is already ramping up it low cost shorthaul operations. When longhaul operations get established and start replacing "Iberia" routes then we may see the end of Iberia "Old" and see a renamed Vueling as the "New" Iberia
Vueling is already ramping up it low cost shorthaul operations. When longhaul operations get established and start replacing "Iberia" routes then we may see the end of Iberia "Old" and see a renamed Vueling as the "New" Iberia
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Vueling has a positive reputation - it seems to be harder to find people with a positive view of Iberia's customer service. As long as Iberia's assets like traffic rights, corporate contracts, travel agency relationships etc. are preserved, is the Iberia brand actually a valuable asset in the eyes of consumers, or would it be better just to start from scratch in brand-building (e.g. Vueling)?
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Actually W they do allow you through with a blank card these days, as long as there's a fighting chance of you getting on.
Shows you the last time I risked the multi faith prayer room and the 35 minute 'security dash'!!
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Iberia cuts Latin America routes, Air Europa increases them
If Iberia cut routes due to being unprofitable, what makes Air Europa so confident that they can run them profitably ?
If Iberia cut routes due to being unprofitable, what makes Air Europa so confident that they can run them profitably ?