Iberia to Lose 4500 jobs - 25 airframes
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I read in this morning's Daily Telegraph business news that Iberia CC and Ground Crew were going on strike over the job losses, etc. a week before Xmas. Whilst I understand this maybe the the only form of protest you have the only people they will hurt are the ordinary traveller.
I was interviewed by a Spanish TV crew during the last series of strikes, whilst travelling through Barajas, I was asked then whether I had any sympathy for the strikers, my answer then was NO; if this new strike goes ahead, I will still not have any sympathy either. I for one will be avoiding Iberia to get home to be with my family.
I was interviewed by a Spanish TV crew during the last series of strikes, whilst travelling through Barajas, I was asked then whether I had any sympathy for the strikers, my answer then was NO; if this new strike goes ahead, I will still not have any sympathy either. I for one will be avoiding Iberia to get home to be with my family.
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Can someone confirm if this is really true
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Have a look at the comments below the story: one Iberia pilot says he has never had anything delivered by dispatch rider. None of them deny the 680 flying hrs/yr limit, though. Is this true? BA and most British airlines have a 900 hrs limit as per the UK legal maximum.
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Can someone confirm if this is really true
None of them deny the 680 flying hrs/yr limit, though. Is this true?
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Bottom line those 1.7 losses are artificially fabricated to fire employees and hire new low cost ones.
People need to wake up and be less of a sheep believing evruthing a rotten scumbag ceo says.
People need to wake up and be less of a sheep believing evruthing a rotten scumbag ceo says.
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dlcmdrx Bottom line those 1.7 losses are artificially fabricated to fire employees and hire new low cost ones.
People need to wake up and be less of a sheep believing evruthing a rotten scumbag ceo says.
People need to wake up and be less of a sheep believing evruthing a rotten scumbag ceo says.
This confirms what I thought. Iberia pilots unable to conceive that is airline is able to make a loss, and coming up with theories of robbery by British Airways o cooked books! They are a tiny minority in Spain who clearly do not feel the crisis. After all, they are a privileged group, top earners who don't see anything has changed!
Well, if only that 26% unemployment (yes, it has gone up yet again) was "fabricated". It is not. Spain was riding an economic bubble that burst. Iberia was riding that bubble.
Now, Iberia does not have a divine right to exist. Vueling could do a very good job of connecting Latin America with Europe and beyond through Barajas. It is doing very well in short haul flying and long haul would be just one more step.
If it is Iberia that will continue doing it, it needs to be slimmed down and have a makeover. At the moment, the brand offers little appeal. Bad service and unreliability due to strikes that can happen at any time.
The airline called a meeting, and the pilot's union in typical style, stood them up, according to a letter sent to customers:
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I don't really hold much hope of an agreement if there is a meeting, when Sepla and its members are so clearly removed from reality that cannot accept that Iberia is making big losses.
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Funny, I don't know the guy, but from following PPrune over the years I always thought BA pilots hated the guy.
Now he is at IB and suddenly everything he says and does makes sense...
Now he is at IB and suddenly everything he says and does makes sense...
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Funny, I don't know the guy, but from following PPrune over the years I always thought BA pilots hated the guy.
Now he is at IB and suddenly everything he says and does makes sense...
Now he is at IB and suddenly everything he says and does makes sense...
He is a businessman trying to turn around a loss making company in a very heavily unionised and economically destroyed country. Not an easy task.
I always thought BA pilots hated the guy.
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VGCM66 you are exactly right about nothing being new. I would go 1 step further and say it goes as far back to the " flat earth society" Just block your ears, block your mind , and drink up the union Cool Aid. It has worked real well recently at Hostess Bakeries where 18.500 former employees taught management a lesson by forefeiting their jobs.
Management may be monsters but they provide the pay that feeds your families. Try using more logic and less emotion if you want this airline to survive.
Management may be monsters but they provide the pay that feeds your families. Try using more logic and less emotion if you want this airline to survive.
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As an Iberia user recently, the service is ****.
I hadn't checked in at San Javier to Madrid, knowing the aircraft hadn't yet left Madrid. Why would I move to the airport rather than sitting at home?
I arrived 30 minutes before the aircraft landed and was told I couldn't board, the gate had closed. Despite the ******* gate never having ever opened to begin with!!!
As a customer, sink this crap airline and let something worthwhile replace it.
I hadn't checked in at San Javier to Madrid, knowing the aircraft hadn't yet left Madrid. Why would I move to the airport rather than sitting at home?
I arrived 30 minutes before the aircraft landed and was told I couldn't board, the gate had closed. Despite the ******* gate never having ever opened to begin with!!!
As a customer, sink this crap airline and let something worthwhile replace it.
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LAN Chile (or rather LATAM) isn't EU-owned...
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Management may be monsters but they provide the pay that feeds your families. Try using more logic and less emotion if you want this airline to survive.
We need management, but management doesn't need us.
Management feed us, but we don't feed management.
Bend over and let management alleviate in you, folks. And then say thank you!
Honestly, guys. You are so understanding of management... Are you management? Are you capitalists, perhaps? Do you own airplanes, locomotives, machinery, factories...?
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Anyone who has travelled as a staff pax on BA when the gate staff are IB will understand that the IB employees seem completely unable to adapt to methods used by a different carrier.
On a less than full flight they will only issue boarding passes to the staff at the very last minute, despite there being plenty of seasts available. The passes are printed then held back.
1/. You get staff waiting at the gate area which never looks good.
2/. One of the golden rules of gate operations is 'get 'em on' as soon as you can - why on earth hold back?
Why purposely hold back those boarding passes when you know damn well there are seats available.
They also seem totally unable to recognise, or refuse to do so, the other airlines seniority system. Why? because that's the way they do it - unbending.
On a less than full flight they will only issue boarding passes to the staff at the very last minute, despite there being plenty of seasts available. The passes are printed then held back.
1/. You get staff waiting at the gate area which never looks good.
2/. One of the golden rules of gate operations is 'get 'em on' as soon as you can - why on earth hold back?
Why purposely hold back those boarding passes when you know damn well there are seats available.
They also seem totally unable to recognise, or refuse to do so, the other airlines seniority system. Why? because that's the way they do it - unbending.
Once ex Alicante when Iberia staff took over they gave my firm Club seats away to other lower priority staff passengers. I had to argue with them to get them back.
Their attitude was mostly shrugs and puff and blow and definitely no sticking to the rules.
Their attitude was mostly shrugs and puff and blow and definitely no sticking to the rules.
A dose of reality
I too have watched an airplane push back (out of Madrid) behind the nonchalant gate staff whilst they busily tried to sort out staff priorities. Plenty of seats but the service went without us-probably six or seven of us, all hues, IB staff and others-because the gate staff couldn't get their act together in time.
Surly cabin crew when you do board. They have little competition in their race to the bottom.
WW is the man to turn them around or throw them to the wolves. IB in it's present form isn't needed in a service industry.
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Surly cabin crew when you do board. They have little competition in their race to the bottom.
WW is the man to turn them around or throw them to the wolves. IB in it's present form isn't needed in a service industry.
S
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Cyrano - I was suggesting that Vueling would be better off linking with LAN Chile for transatlantic flights than with Iberia - the original post suggested Vueling develop their own cross pond operations