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yes your figures are correct including year 5 FO. Year 10 Capt (top scale ) is around £110k on the new joiner scales. Time to command estimated at 10 years for new joiners (big IF as always)
Contract is permanent part time (PPY). You work the full summer season, then in the winter, you work 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. You will get actually, 81.5% of full time salary.
In addition you get:
Duty Rig payment (effectively flying pay). This is around £9 per flying hour, but is uprated by 20% if you do a level 2, and 80% for those flying hours between 0100 and 0700 uk local.
FDA. This is from report time until chocks on at the end of the day. It is £3.52 per hour, 86p of which is tax free.
DC Pension, with 15% company contribution
42 days holidays pa
Private Health for you and your family with no extra payments and no excess payable
Paid unused standbys - about £40 for each 5 hours standby.
Paid ground school allowances -£40 per day
A holiday discount scheme that gets you between 40-70% of a Thomson group holiday pa depending on the price.
20 Requested Days Off pa
Free Uniform, free car parking, Full meals and drinks while on flying duty
Overtime scheme at £440 ish per day
Carmen rostering !!!
Pilot bonus scheme - paid at xmas, upto 2% salary depending on performance
BAYE share scheme (effectively buying shares at half price)
Opportunities to work in Canada for 6 months in winter through sunwing agreement
All recruitment will be 737 with preference given to NG rated with time.
737 bases MAN, LGW, BHX, NCL, EMA, DSA, LTN, STN, EXT, CWL, BOU. Bases I suspect that will be offered - NCL, CWL, LTN, poss MAN, DSA
Its not been a bed of roses since merger in 2009 mainly due to fleet contraction but the package is still very good.
Recruitment will be over winter with I suspect a March or April start to be on the line May 2013.
Total hours varies by base but an average would be 700 hours excluding Overtime, for full time guys. Summer will be pretty much flat out at 93 hours rostered per calender month.Winters are quieter, but not if you go to Canada
Hope this helps
yes your figures are correct including year 5 FO. Year 10 Capt (top scale ) is around £110k on the new joiner scales. Time to command estimated at 10 years for new joiners (big IF as always)
Contract is permanent part time (PPY). You work the full summer season, then in the winter, you work 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. You will get actually, 81.5% of full time salary.
In addition you get:
Duty Rig payment (effectively flying pay). This is around £9 per flying hour, but is uprated by 20% if you do a level 2, and 80% for those flying hours between 0100 and 0700 uk local.
FDA. This is from report time until chocks on at the end of the day. It is £3.52 per hour, 86p of which is tax free.
DC Pension, with 15% company contribution
42 days holidays pa
Private Health for you and your family with no extra payments and no excess payable
Paid unused standbys - about £40 for each 5 hours standby.
Paid ground school allowances -£40 per day
A holiday discount scheme that gets you between 40-70% of a Thomson group holiday pa depending on the price.
20 Requested Days Off pa
Free Uniform, free car parking, Full meals and drinks while on flying duty
Overtime scheme at £440 ish per day
Carmen rostering !!!
Pilot bonus scheme - paid at xmas, upto 2% salary depending on performance
BAYE share scheme (effectively buying shares at half price)
Opportunities to work in Canada for 6 months in winter through sunwing agreement
All recruitment will be 737 with preference given to NG rated with time.
737 bases MAN, LGW, BHX, NCL, EMA, DSA, LTN, STN, EXT, CWL, BOU. Bases I suspect that will be offered - NCL, CWL, LTN, poss MAN, DSA
Its not been a bed of roses since merger in 2009 mainly due to fleet contraction but the package is still very good.
Recruitment will be over winter with I suspect a March or April start to be on the line May 2013.
Total hours varies by base but an average would be 700 hours excluding Overtime, for full time guys. Summer will be pretty much flat out at 93 hours rostered per calender month.Winters are quieter, but not if you go to Canada
Hope this helps
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If you already type rated on the NG, whats the deal with regards £7000 deduction a year ? and for how many years and why if you have to
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The £7000 is to cover line training costs. Its a one off cost. I'm not sure if it deducted gross or net, I believe it is gross so around £580 a month or £350 if net.
I would imagine with a little bit of flexi (overtime), you would clear around 60k in year one. Thats with 2 weeks on 2 week off in the winter.
I would imagine with a little bit of flexi (overtime), you would clear around 60k in year one. Thats with 2 weeks on 2 week off in the winter.
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you would clear around 60k in year one
And is the £7000 deduction just during the first year ?
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+ all the benefits are based on full time salary including the pension.
+ Command suitable FOs are eligible for circa £67k after 5 years total service (£61k if not deemed suitable)
+ (Senority dependent) 787, 757, LH, round the world trips, contracts (Canada, Scandinavia), Training FOs (TRIs), new aircraft delivery flights
+ Good people to work with both sides of the flight deck
Regarding Canada, seniority will probably rule it out for new joiners for next year anyway, but if they need the numbers I would be very surprised if a PPY 50 wouldn't get to go.
It's not as good as the Britannia glory days (where is as good as it was ten years ago) but still a great airline to work for. One of the few remaing career airlines.
+ Command suitable FOs are eligible for circa £67k after 5 years total service (£61k if not deemed suitable)
+ (Senority dependent) 787, 757, LH, round the world trips, contracts (Canada, Scandinavia), Training FOs (TRIs), new aircraft delivery flights
+ Good people to work with both sides of the flight deck
Regarding Canada, seniority will probably rule it out for new joiners for next year anyway, but if they need the numbers I would be very surprised if a PPY 50 wouldn't get to go.
It's not as good as the Britannia glory days (where is as good as it was ten years ago) but still a great airline to work for. One of the few remaing career airlines.
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I feel your pain Council Van! Thomson Airways still have a large fleet of 757's...I’m hoping they might start recruiting for them soon. It sounds like a good deal tho, if I had the 737 NG rating on my licence I would be all over this!
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Yes and yes.
To work out a UK salary use this link:
The Salary Calculator - Take-Home tax calculator
60k a year is approx £3000 a month take home so £2500ish at 81%.
Not bad IMO for part time?!
Don't forget its a permanent contract with a guaranteed upgrade to full time at year 5. You could easily clear more than that if you did more overtime. Also overtime is not permitted however on your 2 week off period.
Yes and yes.
To work out a UK salary use this link:
The Salary Calculator - Take-Home tax calculator
60k a year is approx £3000 a month take home so £2500ish at 81%.
Not bad IMO for part time?!
Don't forget its a permanent contract with a guaranteed upgrade to full time at year 5. You could easily clear more than that if you did more overtime. Also overtime is not permitted however on your 2 week off period.
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Guys, there will be no recruitment onto 757 at TOM. The fleet is contracting as old 757s are replaced with new 737NGs. The plan is to have a fleet of 787/737NG and around 10 or so 757s until the end of this decade. People are regularly directed off the 757 onto the 737, so they'll be no new recruitment onto any fleet but the 737NG.
The £7000 is taken off salary at source, so you won't pay it out of your net income. So the real "net" cost to you as £4,080, spread over 12 months.
The £7000 is to pay for your Operator conversion course (3 weeks of ground school and sim) and the costs associated with your line training (effectively the safety pilot for the first few sectors and the check capt on your final line check).
The £7000 is taken off salary at source, so you won't pay it out of your net income. So the real "net" cost to you as £4,080, spread over 12 months.
The £7000 is to pay for your Operator conversion course (3 weeks of ground school and sim) and the costs associated with your line training (effectively the safety pilot for the first few sectors and the check capt on your final line check).
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Charging for initial and line training? Can someone please tell me how this is different to other pay-to-fly schemes? It's a cost of doing business and TOM should be footing the bill.
If they have to protect their investment, what's wrong with a bond?
If they have to protect their investment, what's wrong with a bond?
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How long would it roughly take for the left seat? I have 2100 hours on the -800, but the time to command would be an important factor for me. Sounds like an O.K deal though and I would be interested.
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Time to command is 10-15 years.
Bucket and spade, £4000 is pretty good now.
Most airlines want 20-30K up front with £1200 a month take home. As i have stated before I've been here 10 years and can't see a better place to go. To stay in the UK it's BA, Virgin and Thomson. I would take a significant pay cut to go to Virgin and BA would put me on the bottom of a 15 year to command list.
From what I see this is one of the best offers of the last few years and its only going to get worse.
Bucket and spade, £4000 is pretty good now.
Most airlines want 20-30K up front with £1200 a month take home. As i have stated before I've been here 10 years and can't see a better place to go. To stay in the UK it's BA, Virgin and Thomson. I would take a significant pay cut to go to Virgin and BA would put me on the bottom of a 15 year to command list.
From what I see this is one of the best offers of the last few years and its only going to get worse.
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That figure of £2500 doesn't reflect the tax free nature of some of the sector pay - it's not a lot but might give you an extra £100 or so a month.
Is that figure really likely? £2500 is not a lot, compared to my current wage - as much as i'd love to go back to TOM (used to be CC) I don't know if I could take a £1200 a month salary cut!
Is that figure really likely? £2500 is not a lot, compared to my current wage - as much as i'd love to go back to TOM (used to be CC) I don't know if I could take a £1200 a month salary cut!
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Guys,
take home pay for the new deal I estimate will be around £3,300 pm all in (thats basic, sector pay and FDA). Take off around £300 pm for the first 12 months if type rated for the OCC costs.
Flexi (overtime) is on top of this and equates to roughly £320 per day net (includes the sector pay and FDA on the day).
If guys think that TOM is the bottom of the barrel then fair enough. No one is forced to apply. Bear in mind though that some current FOs (some with only 6 years in) and who favour doing flexi have P60s of £100k pa.
Even the diluted new joiners package will take some bettering in the UK......and you don't get charged for your uniform or car parking
take home pay for the new deal I estimate will be around £3,300 pm all in (thats basic, sector pay and FDA). Take off around £300 pm for the first 12 months if type rated for the OCC costs.
Flexi (overtime) is on top of this and equates to roughly £320 per day net (includes the sector pay and FDA on the day).
If guys think that TOM is the bottom of the barrel then fair enough. No one is forced to apply. Bear in mind though that some current FOs (some with only 6 years in) and who favour doing flexi have P60s of £100k pa.
Even the diluted new joiners package will take some bettering in the UK......and you don't get charged for your uniform or car parking
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