BA Pilots Lose Out on Commands
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Fifteen 767 commands for ex BMI Captains on a dying fleet with degenerating income.
Sounds like a good deal for BA flight crew who can jump ship early for the 787 or A380.
Sounds like a good deal for BA flight crew who can jump ship early for the 787 or A380.
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... it looks like BA pilots have been stitched up.
Sounds like a good deal for BA flight crew...
So far you seem to think it's both.
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I think there was a rush to judgement over the 15 commands and some BA F/O's were behaving like a 'spooked herd', worrying that this may impact on their own promotion prospects. 
Now the scenario has evolved where low seniority 767 pilots can parachute off of the 767 as they are backfilled by BMI flight crew.
If more BA F/O's understood this, there wouldn't be so much talk about resigning from BALPA after the holiday cash payout.
Now the scenario has evolved where low seniority 767 pilots can parachute off of the 767 as they are backfilled by BMI flight crew.
If more BA F/O's understood this, there wouldn't be so much talk about resigning from BALPA after the holiday cash payout.
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The back 'holiday pay' will be paid to all qualifying BA personnel regardless of union membership, so if resignation was being considered not a reason to remain in BALPA.
I'm also curious to know where all these threats of union resignation are originating.
Perhaps in a land far far away.................
I'm also curious to know where all these threats of union resignation are originating.
Perhaps in a land far far away.................
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Having been out of work following three airline failures in four years it is so encouraging to see those with a firm grip of the realitys of the airline industry squabbling over things that might not be here tomorrow.
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I've read through this thread, but a question hasn't been answered. It might help other observers to have a clear answer to that question.
Question: When the BA and bmi pilot workforces were merged, did the bmi pilots all go to the bottom of the combined seniority list?
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Question: When the BA and bmi pilot workforces were merged, did the bmi pilots all go to the bottom of the combined seniority list?
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Its complex, yes and no but also to be continued. Unless you have the compromise agreement in front of you, the BA cc and mystic meg then its all speculation. Big picture is everyone is flying together and enjoying being part of a strengthened team.... out
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Its complex
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However, in a year, there is the possibility that bmi Captains may be integrated based on their percentile position on the bmi seniority list for roster bidding rights.
It is Complex.
However, in a year, there is the possibility that bmi Captains may be integrated based on their percentile position on the bmi seniority list for roster bidding rights.
It is Complex.
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Always good to see BA are advertising their Future Pilot Programme on facebook just after winding up bmibaby and dissolving the holdpool!
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Wirbelsturm you are generally quite well informed, reading your comment above you recon FPP is the sole source of BA pilots in the years to come, or was your comment referring to 2013?
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Jumbo2:
it's wrt our FUTURE recruitment. It won't be the sole way of recruiting of course! However they are looking to start the FPP (I believe) from 2014 onwards.
it's wrt our FUTURE recruitment. It won't be the sole way of recruiting of course! However they are looking to start the FPP (I believe) from 2014 onwards.
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Another world !
In this economic climate just to kep a job is a bonus, there are pilots in the UK airline industry who have lost their jobs three or four times in the last three years.
While I don't say that the pilots with BA should just roll over and give in to the management I do think that a few above should stop the petty bickering and wake up to the fact that they are in a very secure employment with T's & C'c far better than most in the industry.
While I don't say that the pilots with BA should just roll over and give in to the management I do think that a few above should stop the petty bickering and wake up to the fact that they are in a very secure employment with T's & C'c far better than most in the industry.
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The timescale for the throughput of the FPP is long. At least a couple of years. Add onto that the failure factor and you have a system that 'might' or 'might not' return a usable 'ab-initio' product in a few years. Thus the 'lead in' needs to be long.
BA will always 'spread bet' against age, experience and return. Thus DEP will always be available, however, DEP's can be fed through to the line in a couple of months therefore the 'lead in' for DEP recruitment is justifiably shorter and more volotile. Think, reactive, not pro-active.
There will be more DEP but when and how many are variables that can be discussed at very short notice.
BA will always 'spread bet' against age, experience and return. Thus DEP will always be available, however, DEP's can be fed through to the line in a couple of months therefore the 'lead in' for DEP recruitment is justifiably shorter and more volotile. Think, reactive, not pro-active.
There will be more DEP but when and how many are variables that can be discussed at very short notice.
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A & C Spot on! Final salary £130,000pa. Cushy T&C's. 5* hotels. Final salary scheme giving a pension of AT LEAST £80,000pa. Smell the coffee guys!
Big change very soon!!!
Big change very soon!!!
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BIGBAD
, It's "you're", not "your".....
WW is revealing yet again how how selective with the truth he (she?) is, when he claims: "Final salary scheme giving a pension of AT LEAST £80,000pa.".
WW: I suspect you are referring those in the old APS (Airways Pension Scheme). If you are then you know darn well that the "AP'sters" are a vanishing breed and that the vast, vast majority of current BA employees, including the vast majority of pilots, aren't in a comparable scheme. FWIW I'm in one of the older BA final salary schemes, yes I will leave on pay point "a lot", but won't see anything like the sum you've dreamt up - and that's not a grumble, just an observation.
Not sure a 5* means much these days, I reckon genuine 5* is pretty rare, but whatever the rating remember we do stay in the same hotels as our (and possibly your former) cabin crew colleagues, so using your logic it's not just the pilots that need to "smell the coffee".
A and C: Apologies, I digress, all that aside your's was a good point, well made.
, It's "you're", not "your".....WW is revealing yet again how how selective with the truth he (she?) is, when he claims: "Final salary scheme giving a pension of AT LEAST £80,000pa.".
WW: I suspect you are referring those in the old APS (Airways Pension Scheme). If you are then you know darn well that the "AP'sters" are a vanishing breed and that the vast, vast majority of current BA employees, including the vast majority of pilots, aren't in a comparable scheme. FWIW I'm in one of the older BA final salary schemes, yes I will leave on pay point "a lot", but won't see anything like the sum you've dreamt up - and that's not a grumble, just an observation.
5* hotels.
A and C: Apologies, I digress, all that aside your's was a good point, well made.
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