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Dear cucuotto
What do you mean about developing countries pilot ?
Would you please let us know what is the relation between a country and professional pilot careers ? In cockpit will your profession and skills conduct the aircraft or your nationality ?
I saw some guys here talking about Turkey as a third world country with below standard working conditions etc, if you believed that you are from a first world country with pretty higher standards, ok why you waste your time with turkish operators ? Why you do not work at your own high standard country ?
In my opinion, a safe flight is conducted by professional careers and skills not by nationality. Nationality has no priority over profession.
What do you mean about developing countries pilot ?
Would you please let us know what is the relation between a country and professional pilot careers ? In cockpit will your profession and skills conduct the aircraft or your nationality ?
I saw some guys here talking about Turkey as a third world country with below standard working conditions etc, if you believed that you are from a first world country with pretty higher standards, ok why you waste your time with turkish operators ? Why you do not work at your own high standard country ?
In my opinion, a safe flight is conducted by professional careers and skills not by nationality. Nationality has no priority over profession.
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Cucuotto and Pork Flyer contribute nothing to these forums and simply display racial attitudes towards any threads. I doubt if they are real pilots maybe trolls or scammers but appear to have no real knowledge of the aviation community or the profession itself. Best approach is to ignore them completely. This time next week I will be working for NASA or MI 5 if their guesstimates are anything to go by!
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I am NOT working in Turkey but I have friends that do ( most probably not for long) and tell me stories... Would it be fair to say that we can expect , on average ,an higher level of professionalism in certain environment or regions of the world if compared to others? Would you rather go under surgery with a surgeon with a degree from a premium North American medical school or one that got his degree in Bangladesh ? We are not all the same in aviation. Its just automation that is creating this impression. Its easy to confirm this from statistics on where accident happens most frequently or on airlines safety. You can tell me that I'm racist but this is not about race, color of skin its just about cultures, sociology, organization. licensing methods, training environment, resources. Some countries are aviation safety friendly , others are NOT. Face it. And its seem like Turkey is, due to the poorness of their T&C is now attracting pilots that would most probably not be able to join other more "competitive" environments.
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Thats exactly the same bull**** chinese media are writing about expat pilots....they are here cause thay cant get a job in their own state airline ...
Most guys i met were from major airlines,defunct or on furlough...
THY selection process doesnt fluctuate with the TL...but again maybe youd like to ask the ex Emirates guys who joined THY if they think they are the bottom of the barrel....
Foreigners represent apparently 10 % of the work force..failure rate always been 70 %...fair or not ...either way it seems even pilot shortages dont change their selection process.
Most guys i met were from major airlines,defunct or on furlough...
THY selection process doesnt fluctuate with the TL...but again maybe youd like to ask the ex Emirates guys who joined THY if they think they are the bottom of the barrel....
Foreigners represent apparently 10 % of the work force..failure rate always been 70 %...fair or not ...either way it seems even pilot shortages dont change their selection process.
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Mann you need to go up the jungle and drink the coolade! The education system in America is abismal and your ref to a surgeon is pathetic. If got a degree from any American prestigious college your daddy paid for it, does not mean you have any skills or intelligence ...look at the previous President, C- from Harvard and lucky if IQ makes the figures.
As for Bangladesh, I would choose that surgeon every time and twice on Sunday as they say.
I have 6 ATPL s from 6 continents and have worked for 10 major airlines and all went broke, if you live long enough you will witness the same. I am going for SXS assessment and would be very proud and happy to work for that airline and live in Turkey. I have worked and lived all around the world for 35 years in aviation, have 23,000 hours and 14 type ratings, never failed an exam or checkride or anything else and have no accidents or incidents. The emergencies and tech issues I have dealt with were dealt with calmly, methodically and logically without complicating the issue.
So please don't judge others motivations for joining an airline. If you are a pilot, I would almost guarantee you do not have a job and can't keep one due to your poor ATTITUDE towards others. I have worked with more than 36 nationalities of pilot and if I had to fault any of them it would be the North Americans most of whom do not seem able to stay on speed, they are always too fast on the approach, like to exceed flap speeds, kick rudders unnecessarily and have extremely poor radio skills, and will never say Mayday or Pan, preferring to errr err um err we err have err um err maybe err problem here and err um etc etc.
The world is getting smaller and smaller, diversity is necessary and good for business so I would suggest if you are an aspiring pilot, think about a career change, because we don't need your attitude in any flight deck.
As for Bangladesh, I would choose that surgeon every time and twice on Sunday as they say.
I have 6 ATPL s from 6 continents and have worked for 10 major airlines and all went broke, if you live long enough you will witness the same. I am going for SXS assessment and would be very proud and happy to work for that airline and live in Turkey. I have worked and lived all around the world for 35 years in aviation, have 23,000 hours and 14 type ratings, never failed an exam or checkride or anything else and have no accidents or incidents. The emergencies and tech issues I have dealt with were dealt with calmly, methodically and logically without complicating the issue.
So please don't judge others motivations for joining an airline. If you are a pilot, I would almost guarantee you do not have a job and can't keep one due to your poor ATTITUDE towards others. I have worked with more than 36 nationalities of pilot and if I had to fault any of them it would be the North Americans most of whom do not seem able to stay on speed, they are always too fast on the approach, like to exceed flap speeds, kick rudders unnecessarily and have extremely poor radio skills, and will never say Mayday or Pan, preferring to errr err um err we err have err um err maybe err problem here and err um etc etc.
The world is getting smaller and smaller, diversity is necessary and good for business so I would suggest if you are an aspiring pilot, think about a career change, because we don't need your attitude in any flight deck.
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Topic already covered in Ryanair thread.. not free type rating as you are bonded by bank guarantee letter or cash deposit, i.e leave after 12 months and loose 10K Euro! So McGinley speak with forked tongue!
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Dear flydog
Thanks for your post. You are completely right. Cucuotto seems to be a scammer not a pilot or in best scenario the who has been fired due his poor and racist attitude. I saw his useless and racial post in other turkish airlines forums.
Thanks for your post. You are completely right. Cucuotto seems to be a scammer not a pilot or in best scenario the who has been fired due his poor and racist attitude. I saw his useless and racial post in other turkish airlines forums.
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I have just successfully pass the DEC assessment. I found them really straight forward and honest during simulator and interview. Also the terms & condition is completely difference with what is written here. At the moment they are recruiting only for Ankara base for at least 2 years. Any base change shall be after 2 years minimum.
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ALARM BELLS GUYS,
Not sure that sounds very ethical, SXS nominate mcGinley to get them pilots and SXS provide type rating, line training and experience and then McGinley actively encourage you to break that contract and go to RyanAir!
Are McGinley looking out for your career or do you think they get more money and benefits from RyanAir!!! Per pilot??? " It's all in the Bung "
Who in their right mind would work for Ryanair flying a toilet stinky aeroplane under constant threat from company. If you do not have the honour or loyalty to the company who trains you and provides your experience for that short time, then you deserve a sentence at Ryanair, who will provide nothing but stress and the constant threat of losing your license and career.
If the above is a true communication from McGinley then .......Strongly advise STAY AWAY from both mcGinley and Ryanair
Not sure that sounds very ethical, SXS nominate mcGinley to get them pilots and SXS provide type rating, line training and experience and then McGinley actively encourage you to break that contract and go to RyanAir!
Are McGinley looking out for your career or do you think they get more money and benefits from RyanAir!!! Per pilot??? " It's all in the Bung "
Who in their right mind would work for Ryanair flying a toilet stinky aeroplane under constant threat from company. If you do not have the honour or loyalty to the company who trains you and provides your experience for that short time, then you deserve a sentence at Ryanair, who will provide nothing but stress and the constant threat of losing your license and career.
If the above is a true communication from McGinley then .......Strongly advise STAY AWAY from both mcGinley and Ryanair
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Capt143 stop pumping For CAE/ Parc...you are the scammer not me. Call it as you like it but none of my relatives and friends will ever put a feet on an Iranian or second tier charter Russian crisis hit overworked pilot flown airplane and stay well clear of any Turk operators.They will keep flying Lufthansa.
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Give it a rest, why don't you.
My last sim partner was from Iran Air, worked extremely hard, very knowledgable and excellent pilot, similarly the Russians I have flown with, not spoiled and able to problem solve and improvise with the best.
You sound like you belong to a bunch of Nazi's...stay in that circle of family and friends and leave the rest of us alone.....oh wait a second ....wasn't it one of those subsidiaries and specially chosen guys who recently and deliberately with total disregard for others took an A320 and all its passengers and his colleagues into oblivion!
You stick with that circle because we professional pilots don't need your attitude or your negative contributions associated with our Profession.
My last sim partner was from Iran Air, worked extremely hard, very knowledgable and excellent pilot, similarly the Russians I have flown with, not spoiled and able to problem solve and improvise with the best.
You sound like you belong to a bunch of Nazi's...stay in that circle of family and friends and leave the rest of us alone.....oh wait a second ....wasn't it one of those subsidiaries and specially chosen guys who recently and deliberately with total disregard for others took an A320 and all its passengers and his colleagues into oblivion!
You stick with that circle because we professional pilots don't need your attitude or your negative contributions associated with our Profession.
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You don't need to go through an agency for SXS: The link in English is here:
http://hr-link.net/Home/detail?id=12...No=2950&LangId
Apparently, McGinley make it clear on their advert for SXS that the contract is a reducing bond over 2 years, in addition to the training costs not being refunded if you leave within 2 years, there is a penalty to pay based on salary, not sure how this works and they were not giving any clues either. McGinley principle grassland is Ryanair and one assumes they want a constant feed pool of pilots to retain that " special relationship" As highlighted, it is the " pilot's integrity and wallet" that will suffer if they choose a company change within the contracted period and the agencies coffers that swell as a result. 2 years will be about 1700 hrs, not a bad figure for the portfolio if non-rated and at least with SXS you know the base from day one and they pay the hotel and transport during training period, unlike the "other lot" Sadly, these days everyone is out to make a quick buck and job stability comes a poor second..
http://hr-link.net/Home/detail?id=12...No=2950&LangId
Apparently, McGinley make it clear on their advert for SXS that the contract is a reducing bond over 2 years, in addition to the training costs not being refunded if you leave within 2 years, there is a penalty to pay based on salary, not sure how this works and they were not giving any clues either. McGinley principle grassland is Ryanair and one assumes they want a constant feed pool of pilots to retain that " special relationship" As highlighted, it is the " pilot's integrity and wallet" that will suffer if they choose a company change within the contracted period and the agencies coffers that swell as a result. 2 years will be about 1700 hrs, not a bad figure for the portfolio if non-rated and at least with SXS you know the base from day one and they pay the hotel and transport during training period, unlike the "other lot" Sadly, these days everyone is out to make a quick buck and job stability comes a poor second..
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Very nice you are flying Luft, so why Lufthansa personnel stop working due to low salary and working condition just couple weeks ago ? 
ok go and enjoy your faithful circle because your poor attitude makes you no seat in any cockpit. You are so free that everyday make useless and racist comments in all turkish operators forums !!!
ok go and enjoy your faithful circle because your poor attitude makes you no seat in any cockpit. You are so free that everyday make useless and racist comments in all turkish operators forums !!!
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Capt 143..you keep insisting. I understand pilot IQ has dramatically lowered in recent years. I and my family and friends fly Lufthansa because statistic say they are a safer operator and they ate safer because in Germany there are no shortcuts and pilots have balls enough to strike for their rights and don't fly 119 hours per month with 7 days off do you understand?? Lufthansa hasn't crashed a plane every two years like THY to make it even clearer. Cheers.
