Corporate to Airine

[dg808c]

hmm

you are never too old to change job if you are unhappy in your current job, go for it. BUT do not pay your own typerating,,,,,,,it is a waste of money, go for bonding only.

I changed when I was 36 and I glad I did.

[The Dominican]

I flew corporate for over 10 years before I finally was in the airlines full time, I had to resource to go back a couple of times seaking refuge from airline shut downs in the 90's and after 9/11. It is a hard thing to accomplish since as some have pointed out, it will be costly because you will have to start from the bottom again, thus the entry level salary being low for sure. I finally made the solid jump at 36. The first step of leaving corporate is, leaving corporate! You will have to take the plunge and take whatever low paying airline job you can find so that you can start getting some experience in the industry, you need airline time in your logbooks to get any decent airline job, so the first step is to get the time with not such a decent job. The road ahead will be hard but flying corporate sucks, I would have rather just leave aviation all together if I wasn't able to change to the airlines. The best of luck

[Deep and fast]

Jesus fellas its not that bad! You don't get your bum wiped for you but it is not impossible.

I did think of joining your crowd Dominican, but had to see how the dust settled after the two entities joined forces, but the dust still hasn't settled

[OutsideCAS]

If you can make the jump away from corporate without paying for a rating, then do it IMHO - corporate AOC seems to be a nightmare in general, so I understand the desire to get into a properly structured and run operation, rather than most of the mickey mouse shams that prevail in the corporate world.

[wingreencard]

are you talking about EU corporate or US corporates?, I have friends in US who enjoy corporate.
they got nice hotel, lot of free time, rental car, and make good $...I know guys who left 121 to go corporate and love it!

In europe it' s hell because Europe is going down, full of debts, day after day, all my friends who fly in europe are just complaining, even the one flying the big international planes complain about fatigue, jetlag....and it' s not going to be better.


in 1-2 years, with the JAA MPL, no airlines will hire & pay you. It's going to be MPL+500 h on type then OUT! they will have to fight competition(I mean airlines can lower price if people pay to work).
Do you think airlines care about us? so yes, 35 years old, you are too old.if you were 21, with 150'000 euro to invest in a MPL with nice& rich parents, maybe!!!

The next generation of guys coming after us, who got 200h, 25 years, I think they don't realize how they are.

[Stick35]

Dear all, thanks for all for the good ideas. I considered to try ctc wings atp, but then realizing i have to pay again. Somehow im reluctant to do that. 36 almost and paying again and doing all kind of weird tests without any outcome, not really my thing. I'm just going to apply again as much as possible. There must be an operator out there who is interested in me. Even it was a regional airliner.

[AROUNDGO]

I have been many years in low cost airline and I am fed up and looking for corporate. I am not kidding

[Stick35]

Wanna swap???

[Full Left Rudder]

Easy Swiss take a mix of age groups as FOs. Mainly younger guys yes, but it is by no means a hard rule.

They take guys from many backgrounds - ex military, from other airlines, cadets, and corporate.

I believe it is a bond for the new guys for the rating too, rather than a payment. But I am not sure. Either way, if you have to pay up front then make sure you do so in Sterling or Euros. With the strength of the Swiss Franc against the Pound/Euro you will pay back the rating in no time provided you don't live in expensive Switzerland. Many people live just across the border in France. This makes the salary go a long long way, and so a type rating repayment would be a short term rather than a long term investment.

From what I have seen, all new joiners do their rating with CTC, and consequently I imagine any bond/payment will be in Sterling. Good news.

I would recommend it as a good option for jumping ship. Not perfect, but a good job with great pay.

Good luck.

[Stick35]

Easy swiss would be great indeed. But you have to apply through ctc which cost again money, you have to do again a mcc course etc. Then, if you succeeded test, they put you into hold. And they will not neccessarily put you with them.

[Full Left Rudder]

Stick35 - are you sure that CTC is the only way in? It is one way in that I know of (mainly for cadets), but most people are interviewed and sim checked by easyJet Switzerland management and TREs. They are then sent to CTC for their type rating course once they have been successful in their application. As far as I am aware, CTC have nothing to do with the selection procedure.

[Stick35]

Hi full left rudder

I googled a lot to get info about easy swiss. But every time, im getting directed to the ctc company. Plus, applications with ctc ate closed at the moment (wings atp) Would be great if i know perhaps a direct email adress of HR of easy swiss, if that exists of course.

[billybiguns]

Hi all,

I have been lucky enough to experience both sides of our industry. I am currently working for a well-respected airline with many hours on the 320. Previous, I was working for a small corporate company.

In my opinion I preferred the corporate scenario. You had to do a lot more than just fly a plane but that was what made it more interesting. I’ll try and weigh up the difference between the two from my experience.

Biz Jet:

Cons:

On call a lot however a lot of time off especially if you can get a one week on one week off scenario which is becoming more and more industry standard. T&C's tend to be, on the whole, less than what you would receive in the airlines however that is rapidly changing as airlines constantly try to degrade remunerations. Sometimes, long waits down route for punters. Job stability maybe perceived as less in the Biz Jet world but this is common throughout the whole industry these days.

Pros:

Interesting PAX that you can interact with. Occasional night stops where you are able to see and enjoy where you have flown to. Real flying into real airports that tend to not be as busy as the airline saturated ones. From my experience a more Laissez-Faire cockpit scenario.

Airlines

Pros:

A small cog in a big machine. Able to fly large jets (if that floats your boat). Home most nights. Stable Roster. Supposedly better T&C's! Engineering backup at most outstations. Generally having your rear wiped for you.

Cons:

Repetition of boring routes into fully radar controlled airports all of which have ILS's. On the whole, very early starts and long days of the above mentioned type of flying which then move over to lates in the next rotation. Occasionally having to deal with the superiority complex of some airline created Captains. No social interaction with PAX's and because of that, being treated like a glorified bus driver by the PAX's. Constant fights between Unions and Company that creates a “them and us” scenario. 800 - 900 hrs a year of flying.

I do realize that some people have had totally different experiences than myself and some may put each of my comments in different "box's" and I would love to hear other peoples thoughts and experiences, but for me, if I was given a choice between my current employer and a well-respected biz jet outfit, I would choose the latter because it is not as boring as airline flying.

[TOGA 10]

Stick35 you have PM

[Anonystude]

I would definitely appreciate the same details (leaving the military and no wish to give any more cash than strictly necessary to CTC), although I understand entirely the reticence to send someone's contact details and them be subjected to a barrage of e-mailed CVs!