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I suppose they will get a few Virgin Australia, Malaysian or Thai pilots with 777 time
You get far more than that flying a maggot (737) on contract.....
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Money counts
There where and will be allways takers at the lower end of the scale. I was hit by a surprise when the offer came but I am sure they have enough applicants for that.
10.000.-- - accommodation and other related expenses leaves you with real income before TAX of around 8.000.--, deduct the TAX and it may be 6.000.-- NET, is that worth the effort and the burden? Money counts.
If you are out on the street then I am sure it helps to pay your bills, but tomorrow the next lower offer comes. Who looses at the end of that scale ?
10.000.-- - accommodation and other related expenses leaves you with real income before TAX of around 8.000.--, deduct the TAX and it may be 6.000.-- NET, is that worth the effort and the burden? Money counts.
If you are out on the street then I am sure it helps to pay your bills, but tomorrow the next lower offer comes. Who looses at the end of that scale ?
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Is this not the company that requires current SFOs to resign from their permanent status and join a contact agency as part of the command upgrade process? Norwegian's way of limiting their tax and social security bill? Probably the reason why they are basing the 787 in the Far East with contact agency terms.
What was it about Ryanair setting a benchmark.......
What was it about Ryanair setting a benchmark.......
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Being a 757 capt, I may, just about fit for a cruise captain.question is do you get a full TR to do that or is it some reduced rating that is useless after ?
People moaning about the TCs but I've been out of a job for five months. I can't get picky on pay.
People moaning about the TCs but I've been out of a job for five months. I can't get picky on pay.
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It's a sad state of affairs when in the UK there are hundreds of highly experienced Jet Captns & F/Os out of work, while the industry continues to hire 'cadets'.
I hope things work out for you 'Fade to Grey'. I was in a similar position to you 18 months ago. One thing is for sure, the 787 will be a highly desirable rating to have in the coming years.
I hope things work out for you 'Fade to Grey'. I was in a similar position to you 18 months ago. One thing is for sure, the 787 will be a highly desirable rating to have in the coming years.
suppose they will get a few Virgin Australia
Its pretty sad to see airlines off shoring jobs. Back in Australia Qantas and Jetstar are trying to get their 787 pilots to be based in Singapore on crap conditions too.
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Again, I view this as a dangerous precedent for airline pilots if this is allowed to happen. If the savings are significant enough, other airlines will take notice and will be able to point to this example as precedent. Jetstar is also taking a similar route.
I hope the Norwegian pilots don't just sit back and accept this... Next thing you will find is that all Airbus NEOs will be based out of Albania or the Ukraine.
I hope the Norwegian pilots don't just sit back and accept this... Next thing you will find is that all Airbus NEOs will be based out of Albania or the Ukraine.
I wonder how DY is going to do this regarding bilaterals and such. Are the 787 going to be on a Thai AOC? A Thai AOC won΄t get you rights to fly Norway to the US, whereas they could fly as a wet-lease for DY provided the Thai entity had US DOT approval. I think Norwegian will run into stumbling blocks, and by no means will they have easy competition on either the Far-East or Trans-Atlantic routes. This will be interesting to follow.
Lousy treatment of senior DY pilots.
Lousy treatment of senior DY pilots.
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As usual, if the price is right... Besides, for 777 guys there is nearly no training as 777 and 787 are on a common type rating. Three days at most from what we were told by boeing.
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That's the whole fu***ing problem. In the meantime there'll be no more "good airlines" to go to...
That is the reasoning of Norwegians CEO, Bjorn Kjos also; since other LCC use contract pilots, we have to do it to in order to be competitive.
The only way this sh** will stop is IF WE SAY STOP!!! But that does'nt seem to happen 
I've heard some pilots, especially RYR/esy folks from scandinavia; I'll just take some ****ty contract to get enough hours to go home to Norway and work for Norwegian. In the meantime DY has, due to the competition from ryr/esy etc, also started using contract pilots with even worse T&C. So now they turn DY down, because they can't afford it. That's gotta be a kick in the ba**s, but who's to blame?!?
Just apply directly to the Norwegian 787 position in Bangkok if you meet the minimums, stay 3 years, and then get a 777 or another 787 job somewhere else...
That is the reasoning of Norwegians CEO, Bjorn Kjos also; since other LCC use contract pilots, we have to do it to in order to be competitive.
The only way this sh** will stop is IF WE SAY STOP!!! But that does'nt seem to happen
I've heard some pilots, especially RYR/esy folks from scandinavia; I'll just take some ****ty contract to get enough hours to go home to Norway and work for Norwegian. In the meantime DY has, due to the competition from ryr/esy etc, also started using contract pilots with even worse T&C. So now they turn DY down, because they can't afford it. That's gotta be a kick in the ba**s, but who's to blame?!?
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Have you seen the bond, or 'Bank Guarantee' as they call it, which has just been published?
Bank Guarantee:
The pilot will be required to have a bank guarantee in place prior to starting on this contract, this will reduce by 10,000 Euros each completed year of contract. The bank guarantee will only be acted upon if the pilot is not successful at completing the full contract.
Current B-777 Pilots
No bank guarantee will be required.
Current B767,757 or 737 Pilots
A bank guarantee of 30,000 Euros will be required.
All others Type rated Pilots
A bank guarantee of 40,000 Euros will be required.
Eye watering! I know that it's a new aircraft type, and that Norwegian will probably feel that they are taking a bit of a risk, but that amount of money is staggering, particularly in relation to the salary, and the other terms and conditions.
Bank Guarantee:
The pilot will be required to have a bank guarantee in place prior to starting on this contract, this will reduce by 10,000 Euros each completed year of contract. The bank guarantee will only be acted upon if the pilot is not successful at completing the full contract.
Current B-777 Pilots
No bank guarantee will be required.
Current B767,757 or 737 Pilots
A bank guarantee of 30,000 Euros will be required.
All others Type rated Pilots
A bank guarantee of 40,000 Euros will be required.
Eye watering! I know that it's a new aircraft type, and that Norwegian will probably feel that they are taking a bit of a risk, but that amount of money is staggering, particularly in relation to the salary, and the other terms and conditions.
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Last I heard FRying Air were demanding 30K for a 737 rating, with no guarantee of anything beyond paid by the hour. (15K profit in there too)
Not cheap, but ballpark for our "wonderful" industry.
How much is a Scania TR ?
Not cheap, but ballpark for our "wonderful" industry.
How much is a Scania TR ?
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Norwegian/Risworth B787 Contract based in Bangkok
Is there anyone who actually know/seen the contract and all the terms ?
Until now it looks like guessing on the pay scale etc etc with no real conformation.
Of course anyone without a job would apply if they suit the requirements for the contract as the bills have to be paid.
I would think even pilots already in job would apply as well in order to try something new and the opportunity for B787 endorsement.
Before anyone begin to write unsuitable comments about staying away for whatever reasons.....I am already in job, however still interested in what the contract offers like many others.
Until now it looks like guessing on the pay scale etc etc with no real conformation.
Of course anyone without a job would apply if they suit the requirements for the contract as the bills have to be paid.
I would think even pilots already in job would apply as well in order to try something new and the opportunity for B787 endorsement.
Before anyone begin to write unsuitable comments about staying away for whatever reasons.....I am already in job, however still interested in what the contract offers like many others.
