bmi recruiting A320 FO's with promise of BA job
bmi recruiting A320 FO's with promise of BA job
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Well, there were 10 vacancies and the interviews have already happened. The vast majority those who have already worked for bmi.
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"unrest"? understatement!
how dare external people get offered jobs/interviews before the company's own internal staff. it stinks big time. little old regional, is still part of the bmi group.
the role wasnt advertised internally nor externally.
needless to say balpa are on the case.
how dare external people get offered jobs/interviews before the company's own internal staff. it stinks big time. little old regional, is still part of the bmi group.
the role wasnt advertised internally nor externally.
needless to say balpa are on the case.
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Are they returnees?
I put money on it that the baby CC are oblivious to this! Typical of the attitude that BMI have towards Baby and Regional. To recruit and not offer internally when so many crew in both companies are unsure of the future is just disgraceful.
I put money on it that the baby CC are oblivious to this! Typical of the attitude that BMI have towards Baby and Regional. To recruit and not offer internally when so many crew in both companies are unsure of the future is just disgraceful.
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" The vast majority those who have already worked for bmi."
From what I heard in the crew room, a more accurate statement would be , most of which PAID to fly here before.
Total disgrace, and this behavior didn't start the other week with this round of hush hush interviews it has been on going, with these pay to fly guys, for quite some time, one of which I know started about 4-5 mths ago, another un advertised job and the second class citizens keep protected the slots, with no thanks.......
From what I heard in the crew room, a more accurate statement would be , most of which PAID to fly here before.
Total disgrace, and this behavior didn't start the other week with this round of hush hush interviews it has been on going, with these pay to fly guys, for quite some time, one of which I know started about 4-5 mths ago, another un advertised job and the second class citizens keep protected the slots, with no thanks.......
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As I understand it, this requirement comes at very short notice; it requires A320 rated crew to be able to start yesterday. I read a comment on a forum from a bmiR pilot last week who did, indeed apparently have a rating. If that is so, then he/she certainly deserves a shot at the position. I understand BALPA are looking into it. There's certainly been no talk of excluding bmiR pilots from the process; I think some comments on other forums about the perceived "attitude" of mainline towards bmiR are way off the mark, also. The primary driver in this requirement is the speed at which these guys can get their @rses strapped to an A320, a type rating course is going to be measured in months.
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What is this in aid of? Replacements for those who have already 
off to BA? So J.Curd's self sponsored line trainee's will be advertising how they went direct to Big Airways after handing over a fist full of dollars. What happened to the poor boys and girls that bmi laid off way back when? Those guys who were forced to up the EZY/PARC 'offer.' Guys who had provided years of service to bmi. So the jobless PTFers who remained jobless after they PTFed will now be DEPs for BA? I thought bmi made a pledge that they would never offer these guys employment?? I hope BA them all out come amalgamation day!
off to BA? So J.Curd's self sponsored line trainee's will be advertising how they went direct to Big Airways after handing over a fist full of dollars. What happened to the poor boys and girls that bmi laid off way back when? Those guys who were forced to up the EZY/PARC 'offer.' Guys who had provided years of service to bmi. So the jobless PTFers who remained jobless after they PTFed will now be DEPs for BA? I thought bmi made a pledge that they would never offer these guys employment?? I hope BA them all out come amalgamation day!
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skip.rat, that would be me!! and I've had no feedback at all. I think there's one more that I know of that has a valid 320 tr. I tend to agree with you about the perceived attitudes. The fact of the matter is, is that the old mgt at Aberdeen had a lot to blame as well as they closed doors for regional guys to go to mainline and baby and that perception is still around. So the problem actually lies on both sides. If the transfer agreement that is in place was worth the paper it was written on then mainline should have consulted internally first.
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No offence intended, but if it is who I think it is this person has been here but 5 minutes. Why do they deserve a chance? There are plenty of more senior pilots desperate for an oportunity should it arise. If BALPA are indeed "looking into it" that can only mean that there is norfolkinchance chance for anyone else because they have no rating. That would be the final nail in my opinion regards union membership.
I read a comment on a forum from a bmiR pilot last week who did, indeed apparently have a rating. If that is so, then he/she certainly deserves a shot at the position. I understand BALPA are looking into it.
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Here, here, absolutely, there are guys on the waiting list 10 yrs, the rating shouldn't matter a jot.
Loads of guys have had the LHR temp base hanging over their heads for 6 yrs, these guys have persevered with the terrible system that's in place only to have pay to fly guys take their place, the point that I make is that EVEN someone like me who is hear only 5 mins to quote konspiracy, should be considered before these outside recruits.
No one in their right mind would argue that the loyalty shown by the long term regional guys who want this transfer shouldn't be rewarded before anyone else.
The fact is being part of regional is definitely a blocker towards these jobs, rating or no rating.
No matter how long any pilot with regional or baby is with the companies these jobs should have been transparently advertised internally first and those who wanted to apply could have and went through the process FAIRLY.
Loads of guys have had the LHR temp base hanging over their heads for 6 yrs, these guys have persevered with the terrible system that's in place only to have pay to fly guys take their place, the point that I make is that EVEN someone like me who is hear only 5 mins to quote konspiracy, should be considered before these outside recruits.
No one in their right mind would argue that the loyalty shown by the long term regional guys who want this transfer shouldn't be rewarded before anyone else.
The fact is being part of regional is definitely a blocker towards these jobs, rating or no rating.
No matter how long any pilot with regional or baby is with the companies these jobs should have been transparently advertised internally first and those who wanted to apply could have and went through the process FAIRLY.
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Playing Devils Advocate here; the LHR thing has been a 'gift' to those who would otherwise be based at a 'regional' (it's in the name) airport. Whilst we have all enjoyed the pleasures of LHR, we do in fact work for a 'regional airline'.
Back to the topic of the thread, it really beggars belief that if true, PTF monkeys will be back dooring it in to BA in some shape or form. It stinks and is very disheartening. But I guess it's all pure conjecture at moment. As for the mainline pilot workforce I beg to differ, I have never felt any ill feeling whilst working on their patch.
Back to the topic of the thread, it really beggars belief that if true, PTF monkeys will be back dooring it in to BA in some shape or form. It stinks and is very disheartening. But I guess it's all pure conjecture at moment. As for the mainline pilot workforce I beg to differ, I have never felt any ill feeling whilst working on their patch.
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The LHR secondment has gone on so long now and we've done so many routes for mainline, I guess thats why so many are pissed off at this recent recruitment move. I've always enjoyed LHR and people there and will miss not going there.
As for this so called ill feeling, personally I've never seen it.
As for this so called ill feeling, personally I've never seen it.
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Dear god... what a load of fuss over nothing. Last time I ever confirm anything on here.
The interviewee's all looked a little long in the tooth to be "PTF monkeys"
As for any unrest between mainline and regional, no idea, but Regional and Mainline are not the same companies and so guff about internal transfers is irrelevant really in my eyes.
The interviewee's all looked a little long in the tooth to be "PTF monkeys"
As for any unrest between mainline and regional, no idea, but Regional and Mainline are not the same companies and so guff about internal transfers is irrelevant really in my eyes.
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Not guff at all, a transfer agreement has been in place for years. It wasnt guff either when not so long ago we were looking at 90 days whilst some sharks in mainline were circling the 145 quoting scope. I guess that must be guff to?
I'm alright....
I'm alright....
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I don't have much knowlege of corporate takeovers / mergers, but I would have thought that any recruitment / expenditure / assset transfers / t's and c's changes etc etc, which are conducted in the perioud between the agreement to marge / takover and the actual merge would be reviewable and reversable. otherwise it would be very easy for a company to agree to a sale / takeover and then ofload / onload a whole bunch of stuff and screw the new owners. I know BMI have an operation to run in the mean time, but I'd be very very surprised if IAG and BA haven't reserved the right to change / reverse anything that happened between the agreement being signed and the actual merger taking place.
good luck to the guys that were already in bmi and are joining BA, but people joining now smacks of a bit of a dodgy 'back door deal' into BA.
good luck to the guys that were already in bmi and are joining BA, but people joining now smacks of a bit of a dodgy 'back door deal' into BA.
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"As for any unrest between mainline and regional, no idea, but Regional and Mainline are not the same companies and so guff about internal transfers is irrelevant really in my eyes."
There we have it in black and white. I spent 3.5 years on the LHR secondment and I would say that generally it was a good experience. I could relate a couple of incidents that left a bad taste. I put this down to some old guard that felt his airline was being demeaned by the crowd north of the border and that somehow his job might be threatened.
Far from it I suspect that the rabble from the far north helped keep the sinking ship afloat long enough to be beached allowing the occupants a safe landing. Hopefully jobs with BA.
Although separate companies, separate AOC's, the important bit, all part of the same Group.
When this happened plans where put in place so that essentially regional would be the starting point for a career in bmi. I actually trained to be part of the combined interview team to facilitate this.
A number of factors, in particular bad management put the kibosh on this, although I think about a dozen, perhaps a few more, managed to make the hop across over the years.
I think that if it had been done it would of been good for everyone. It would of been cheaper and bmi would of got a good product. The pay to fly would of got some good experience (actually having to manipulate thrust levers, work out TOD etc) and back in the day at least the hope of a long term career.
By the way i have some sympathy with the "pay to fly monkeys" this industry is all f*cked up, thats a fact. It would be a nightmare for anyone wanting to be a pilot today, I am not sure I for one would do it starting now.
There we have it in black and white. I spent 3.5 years on the LHR secondment and I would say that generally it was a good experience. I could relate a couple of incidents that left a bad taste. I put this down to some old guard that felt his airline was being demeaned by the crowd north of the border and that somehow his job might be threatened.
Far from it I suspect that the rabble from the far north helped keep the sinking ship afloat long enough to be beached allowing the occupants a safe landing. Hopefully jobs with BA.
Although separate companies, separate AOC's, the important bit, all part of the same Group.
When this happened plans where put in place so that essentially regional would be the starting point for a career in bmi. I actually trained to be part of the combined interview team to facilitate this.
A number of factors, in particular bad management put the kibosh on this, although I think about a dozen, perhaps a few more, managed to make the hop across over the years.
I think that if it had been done it would of been good for everyone. It would of been cheaper and bmi would of got a good product. The pay to fly would of got some good experience (actually having to manipulate thrust levers, work out TOD etc) and back in the day at least the hope of a long term career.
By the way i have some sympathy with the "pay to fly monkeys" this industry is all f*cked up, thats a fact. It would be a nightmare for anyone wanting to be a pilot today, I am not sure I for one would do it starting now.