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It is an "opensky prison"....
I got the job, I went through many-many medical checks to get the visa, a terrible procedure.....and the roster....is something else!
They told me that I have to stay in Jeddah "until I finished my line training", which means 5 to 6 months MINIMUM! And during this period I am NOT allowed to leave KSA, to visit my family, and my family is NOT allowed to visit me!
To get the ATPL is not so easy...it needs a lot of work.
Therefore I decided NOT to join them, and as far as I know, from the group of captains we passed the interview, no one is moving to Jeddah...
The HR of SAUDIA must change all these, if they want pilots to join them. You must be completely desperate, to go there. And money is not so attractive.
Try something else.....and keep this as the last resort.
I got the job, I went through many-many medical checks to get the visa, a terrible procedure.....and the roster....is something else!
They told me that I have to stay in Jeddah "until I finished my line training", which means 5 to 6 months MINIMUM! And during this period I am NOT allowed to leave KSA, to visit my family, and my family is NOT allowed to visit me!
To get the ATPL is not so easy...it needs a lot of work.
Therefore I decided NOT to join them, and as far as I know, from the group of captains we passed the interview, no one is moving to Jeddah...
The HR of SAUDIA must change all these, if they want pilots to join them. You must be completely desperate, to go there. And money is not so attractive.
Try something else.....and keep this as the last resort.
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Saudia places ads to hire 120 Indian pilots:
Saudi Gazette - Saudia places ads to hire 120 Indian pilots
Saudi Gazette - Saudia places ads to hire 120 Indian pilots
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Given that most of the unskilled workers in Saudi are either Indian or Philippino, it will be very interesting to learn how these Indian Captains will get along with the young and ever so modest Saudi First Officers. Thrashing the Indian gardener in the morning and taking orders from an Indian Captain in the afternoon has a certain irony.
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Or Saudi Captains, with whom they'd have to fly supervision before that.
it will be very interesting to learn how these Indian Captains will get along with the young and ever so modest Saudi First Officers.
Or Saudi Captains, with whom they'd have to fly supervision before that.
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em20;
Indeed. However, the problem you have is making a sensible post!
It is apparent that you have been somewhat cosseted in your stated location of the plastic, superficial, lala world, some call California. May I suggest you educate yourself as to the endemic abuse of Indian workers in Saudi Arabia via the following website link:-
Indian Workers Sold Like Animals in Saudi Arabia
After your enlightenment, you may then understand the irony of a situation where a Saudi pilot might treat his Indian worker in such an abusive way in the morning, and then take orders from his Indian Captain in the afternoon.
If you are unable to understand the irony, please ask someone for further explanation the next time you visit another state.
Indeed. However, the problem you have is making a sensible post!
It is apparent that you have been somewhat cosseted in your stated location of the plastic, superficial, lala world, some call California. May I suggest you educate yourself as to the endemic abuse of Indian workers in Saudi Arabia via the following website link:-
Indian Workers Sold Like Animals in Saudi Arabia
After your enlightenment, you may then understand the irony of a situation where a Saudi pilot might treat his Indian worker in such an abusive way in the morning, and then take orders from his Indian Captain in the afternoon.
If you are unable to understand the irony, please ask someone for further explanation the next time you visit another state.
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Wow, how did we go from a topic about airline recruitment to slavery ? Regardless of its guise, slavery is deplorable and unfortunately it exists just about everywhere....
In June 2006, Wei Tang was found guilty in the Victorian County Court of possessing and using a slave. The charges related to five women who were recruited from Thailand to work in a Melbourne brothel. Under the terms of the recruitment agreement and purchase, each woman owed a debt of between $40,000 and $45,000 to Wei Tang. The debt involved expenses supposedly incurred transporting the women to Australia and resultant accommodation and incidental expenses as well as a profit margin.
In order to pay off the debt the women were required to work six nights a week servicing clients at the respondent s brothel. Their debt was reduced by an amount of $50 for each etc etc
So can we please stick to the original topic, any discussion on slavery can take place in Jetblast.
In June 2006, Wei Tang was found guilty in the Victorian County Court of possessing and using a slave. The charges related to five women who were recruited from Thailand to work in a Melbourne brothel. Under the terms of the recruitment agreement and purchase, each woman owed a debt of between $40,000 and $45,000 to Wei Tang. The debt involved expenses supposedly incurred transporting the women to Australia and resultant accommodation and incidental expenses as well as a profit margin.
In order to pay off the debt the women were required to work six nights a week servicing clients at the respondent s brothel. Their debt was reduced by an amount of $50 for each etc etc
So can we please stick to the original topic, any discussion on slavery can take place in Jetblast.
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Very simply;
When the flag carrier of a country with an ENDEMIC (as opposed to isolated) problem of Indian worker abuse, then seeks to recruit Indian Captains to command its nationals, there is unquestionably a connection and certain irony.
As far as I am aware there is no endemic, specific nationality of foreign worker abuse in Australia. If there were, I am certain the Australian government would take the appropriate action, unlike the Saudi government.
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but please, do not be so presumptuous as to appoint yourself acting moderator.
When the flag carrier of a country with an ENDEMIC (as opposed to isolated) problem of Indian worker abuse, then seeks to recruit Indian Captains to command its nationals, there is unquestionably a connection and certain irony.
As far as I am aware there is no endemic, specific nationality of foreign worker abuse in Australia. If there were, I am certain the Australian government would take the appropriate action, unlike the Saudi government.
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but please, do not be so presumptuous as to appoint yourself acting moderator.
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Let's not get abusive
Hey Tommy Tilt I think maybe you are the one having a problem making a reasonable post. For your information I am of Indian descent and I have lived in Saudi Arabia and I know other people of Indian descent working in SA as captain and my father was a professor at King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah and he bossed around Saudi students....the list goes on.
Is there a problem as to which you speak...YES. But don't give me a lecture how I live secluded in California and don't know what I am speaking of...please.
My point is racism does exist everywhere, some places more than others. But also it is what you make of it.
And Mutt, sorry for taking this off topic, obviously from reading your posts you know more about any of this than most others on this forum. A belated thank you for all your very informative posts.
Is there a problem as to which you speak...YES. But don't give me a lecture how I live secluded in California and don't know what I am speaking of...please.
My point is racism does exist everywhere, some places more than others. But also it is what you make of it.
And Mutt, sorry for taking this off topic, obviously from reading your posts you know more about any of this than most others on this forum. A belated thank you for all your very informative posts.
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Em20;
Perhaps you should have used your alleged vast knowledge of the situation by making a constructive post at the onset instead of making your juvenile “white gardener” comment, complete with an even more juvenile icon. Had you done so, you may have forgone any “lecture” on your California lifestyle bubble.
Not impressed if your father was a professor at a Saudi university. With your vast knowledge you already know that wealthy Saudis educate their children at any location other than in Saudi Arabia.
I have noted, as I’m sure others have, your self-serving apology and praise of Mutt. An isolated incident of foreign worker abuse in Australia is certainly informative but hardly relevant to the regular, government condoned events in Saudi Arabia.
Best of luck with whatever list you are presently working on.
Perhaps you should have used your alleged vast knowledge of the situation by making a constructive post at the onset instead of making your juvenile “white gardener” comment, complete with an even more juvenile icon. Had you done so, you may have forgone any “lecture” on your California lifestyle bubble.
Not impressed if your father was a professor at a Saudi university. With your vast knowledge you already know that wealthy Saudis educate their children at any location other than in Saudi Arabia.
I have noted, as I’m sure others have, your self-serving apology and praise of Mutt. An isolated incident of foreign worker abuse in Australia is certainly informative but hardly relevant to the regular, government condoned events in Saudi Arabia.
Best of luck with whatever list you are presently working on.
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Tommy Tilt:
I couldn't care less about your comments. They are pointless. If you don't like the Saudis don't go there. There is good and bad about every place and there is racism everywhere as well...yes, even in my "California lifestyle bubble".
I think everyone on this post has respect for Mutt's knowledge and help in this forum so I'm not sure where you're going with that. Perhaps you should try it yourself rather than flame baiting all day long. Nuff said and here is another "juvenille icon" for you..
. Let's get back on topic.
I couldn't care less about your comments. They are pointless. If you don't like the Saudis don't go there. There is good and bad about every place and there is racism everywhere as well...yes, even in my "California lifestyle bubble".
I think everyone on this post has respect for Mutt's knowledge and help in this forum so I'm not sure where you're going with that. Perhaps you should try it yourself rather than flame baiting all day long. Nuff said and here is another "juvenille icon" for you..
. Let's get back on topic.
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Looks like I touched a nerve. If you do not care about my comments why on earth did you bother to respond with, yet again, self serving adulation for others. No one likes a suck-up.
You state “there is good and bad about every place”, absolutely correct, but the topic concerns Saudi Arabia not every place. Every place does not have a website devoted to Indian worker abuse.
Indian Workers Sold Like Animals in Saudi Arabia
You state “there is good and bad about every place”, absolutely correct, but the topic concerns Saudi Arabia not every place. Every place does not have a website devoted to Indian worker abuse.
Indian Workers Sold Like Animals in Saudi Arabia
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em20 - Your answers are somewhat disingenuous. To suggest that, 'There is good and bad about every place and there is racism everywhere as well' is somewhat misleading. To compare the level of racism in California with that in Saudi Arabia is like comparing the anti-semitism around Germany in the thirties with that in England. The treatment of Indian and Filipino workers in Saudi is an outrage that condemns both the shameful behaviour of the Saudis and the blind indifference of the Indian and Philippine governments, who are effectively complicit in the suffering of their own citizens. There is nothing more shameful than seeing your fellow countrymen being persecuted and choosing to do nothing for the sake of convenience. You may indeed be of Indian extraction, but that only makes your willingness to excuse the suffering of your own people at the hands of morally bankrupt and decadent Saudis all the more shameful. The days of the house of Saud are mercifully numbered - we can only hope that what replaces it is not an even more unpleasant group of nutters.
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"To compare the level of racism in California with that in Saudi Arabia is like comparing the anti-semitism around Germany in the thirties with that in England."
I completely agree with your statement, however I did not say they are the same, I said racism exists everywhere obviously to different degrees. I actually agreed with most of your post till you got personall and said I should be ashamed of myself. That is somewhat presumptuous of you as you don't know me, my background, or my life experiences.
My original point was just because the captains being hired by Saudia are Indians is no reason to disqualify them (that would be racism). I would not disqualify myself of working in the ME eventhough I know I will face challenges as an Indian. It may be a concept for a non-minority person hard to understand. It is what I teach my children, make no excuses for the color of your skin and not to use that as an excuse to do what you want to do. I have personally seen people of Indian descent both in positions of authority and in near slavery conditions in SA. I have personally experienced racial discrimination in Saudi Arabia that does not stop me from going there.
To your other point, it is not the House of Saud that is the problem. It is the majority of Arabs themselves that feel they are superior to non-white races. The plight of Indians are the same in Dubai and other Middle Eastern cities.
I completely agree with your statement, however I did not say they are the same, I said racism exists everywhere obviously to different degrees. I actually agreed with most of your post till you got personall and said I should be ashamed of myself. That is somewhat presumptuous of you as you don't know me, my background, or my life experiences.
My original point was just because the captains being hired by Saudia are Indians is no reason to disqualify them (that would be racism). I would not disqualify myself of working in the ME eventhough I know I will face challenges as an Indian. It may be a concept for a non-minority person hard to understand. It is what I teach my children, make no excuses for the color of your skin and not to use that as an excuse to do what you want to do. I have personally seen people of Indian descent both in positions of authority and in near slavery conditions in SA. I have personally experienced racial discrimination in Saudi Arabia that does not stop me from going there.
To your other point, it is not the House of Saud that is the problem. It is the majority of Arabs themselves that feel they are superior to non-white races. The plight of Indians are the same in Dubai and other Middle Eastern cities.
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Em20:
I've been reading these forums for months and today your forced me into registering so I could post.
Your comments on this are SPOT ON brother. I am an Indian pilot and I completely agree with you. The Bishop's statement that you should be "ashamed" is completely off track. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what we face in the ME and what should be done.
I really liked your comment on your gardner.
It was funny dude.
I've been reading these forums for months and today your forced me into registering so I could post.
Your comments on this are SPOT ON brother. I am an Indian pilot and I completely agree with you. The Bishop's statement that you should be "ashamed" is completely off track. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what we face in the ME and what should be done.
I really liked your comment on your gardner.
It was funny dude.
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I respect your Indian descent, but, if I were a Saudi, based on your performance so far, I would have to seriously think about selling you.
Mr. Tilt your comment is RACIST and disgusting. Grow up man. As an Indian I find it nausseating. Comments and commentators like yours should be banned from this forum. Moderator?????
Mr. Tilt your comment is RACIST and disgusting. Grow up man. As an Indian I find it nausseating. Comments and commentators like yours should be banned from this forum. Moderator?????
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Why not look at the demographics of executions in Saudi Arabia? That provides an indication of which nationals don't do well there. It is certainly a different place in many many ways, most distasteful or even abhorrent. Sadly folks like Mutt depend on the Saudis for a living. Their posts are biased in favour of their hosts. As an outsider with much experience there over the last 25 years, I believe that the kingdom is guilty of slaving.
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Sadly folks like Mutt depend on the Saudis for a living. Their posts are biased in favour of their hosts. As an outsider with much experience there over the last 25 years, I believe that the kingdom is guilty of slaving.
