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humvee,
Thanks for sharing the options, but I have to comment that a 6 on 2 off is hardly called a commuting arrangement, let alone a 3 on 1 off.
Unless I miss your insinuating intent?
Thanks for sharing the options, but I have to comment that a 6 on 2 off is hardly called a commuting arrangement, let alone a 3 on 1 off.
Unless I miss your insinuating intent?
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Wizzkid,
It is sad to learn that Air Asia is one company not only pays their pilots poorly also does not recognize seniority in the company. They allow their cronies & outsiders bypassing the seniors that have served their dues to promotion or upgrading to X. Yet, when people leave the co., TF calls them ungrateful. Mgmt is paid handsomely, driving posh cars tho doing very little. Ask anyone if they've ever done 6 sectors or the very late China flt that touch down back to base at 4am? While the ones that actually work like a dog are paid so little. Where's the justification? Even captains are unable to get free upgrade to premium seats on X. Don't be surprise that Air Asia X probably is the worse paid wide body in the industry. Still think this co worth your time? Unless you are very desperate otherwise, look elsewhere.
It is sad to learn that Air Asia is one company not only pays their pilots poorly also does not recognize seniority in the company. They allow their cronies & outsiders bypassing the seniors that have served their dues to promotion or upgrading to X. Yet, when people leave the co., TF calls them ungrateful. Mgmt is paid handsomely, driving posh cars tho doing very little. Ask anyone if they've ever done 6 sectors or the very late China flt that touch down back to base at 4am? While the ones that actually work like a dog are paid so little. Where's the justification? Even captains are unable to get free upgrade to premium seats on X. Don't be surprise that Air Asia X probably is the worse paid wide body in the industry. Still think this co worth your time? Unless you are very desperate otherwise, look elsewhere.
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it true what King of Justice is saying... been there done that...
TF is only interested in the commercial side ...he has a F1 team (lotus) QPR foot team, sponsor of malaysia basketball team and UK football referee's and some other stuff... now why should i pay pilots more or treat them better. i got more important things to pay
A while back and probably still now.. the cabin crew was paid more than his first officer's .. FO was 12usd per flt hrs and basic was 1100usd ...capt 53usd per hrs and basic was 3500usd...average flt hrs per month was 80hrs.. salary that really dont make sense in the real world..
his famous word is Brand.. if the product is Cr@p rebrand it ... (MALAYSIA AIRLINES) but i am sorry for the workers in MAS.. the TF tidal wave of change is coming, after he run's MAS to the ground... oops.. no need..his way.. leave the company to hit rock bottom on its own... come in with more money, so increase in his hold on MAS with his increase in shares in MAS. ... He be PM of malaysia soon... no King TF. kiss the paw..
MAS will become Air asia premium... no more freebies. no discount on food on board..since there is no crew meal.. no transportation for it crew, there will never be commuting contracts..why should there be.. that would be his words... he will always get guys... because of his branding of Airasia... its seems a good place like Neverland Ranch...
GUYS believe me the grass is not green the other side... it just dirt..sprayed green...
Good luck in your future.. be wise not like me.
TF is only interested in the commercial side ...he has a F1 team (lotus) QPR foot team, sponsor of malaysia basketball team and UK football referee's and some other stuff... now why should i pay pilots more or treat them better. i got more important things to pay
A while back and probably still now.. the cabin crew was paid more than his first officer's .. FO was 12usd per flt hrs and basic was 1100usd ...capt 53usd per hrs and basic was 3500usd...average flt hrs per month was 80hrs.. salary that really dont make sense in the real world..his famous word is Brand.. if the product is Cr@p rebrand it ... (MALAYSIA AIRLINES
) but i am sorry for the workers in MAS.. the TF tidal wave of change is coming, after he run's MAS to the ground... oops.. no need..his way.. leave the company to hit rock bottom on its own... come in with more money, so increase in his hold on MAS with his increase in shares in MAS. ... He be PM of malaysia soon... no King TF. kiss the paw.. MAS will become Air asia premium... no more freebies. no discount on food on board..since there is no crew meal.. no transportation for it crew, there will never be commuting contracts..why should there be.. that would be his words... he will always get guys... because of his branding of Airasia... its seems a good place like Neverland Ranch...
GUYS believe me the grass is not green the other side... it just dirt..sprayed green...
Good luck in your future.. be wise not like me.
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Again KOJ is spot on X is the lowest paid widebody job on the planet if its not then its definitely second its absolutely appaling what they pay the guys. Yes we all know its low cost but both companies are making alot of money, you get squat at both companies consider this for a second - there is no travel allowance, you pay for parking, you pay for your medical, you pay for your licence renewal including your instrument renewal, infact, you pay for pretty much everything, honestly no wonder TF is always smiling what a freaking gig he is on, not a surprise that alot of cabin crew have resigned and tech crew following soon - boy are they in for a wake up call
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Sorry KOJ and Busdriver, air Asia and x are both low cost! What are u expecting them to pay for u? There are no perks, its not a legacy carrier! No airline pays for yur licence renewal in Malaysia!
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Rage read the entirety of my post i made it quite clear its low cost so pls dont try be a smart alec
, the cost of renewal is but one component of the entire cost of flying for airasia. Funny how you say there is no perks and its low cost, but applies to the general pilot population only but low cost mentality does not apply to the management i always thought of all people they should lead by example.
I guess its typical " do i say not as i do " attitude.
, the cost of renewal is but one component of the entire cost of flying for airasia. Funny how you say there is no perks and its low cost, but applies to the general pilot population only but low cost mentality does not apply to the management i always thought of all people they should lead by example.I guess its typical " do i say not as i do " attitude.
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The Rage, are you saying being low-cost means pilots & other crews deserved to be treated poorly? are you saying being low-cost means co shld not recognize seniority? are you saying that being low-cost means no fringe benefits for staffs? Lic renewal is not THE issue. What about giving priority to those that have served their dues to promotion/upgrading to X than to bring the outsider leagues bypassing the rest? What about giving free upgrades to premium seats for tech-crew? What about subsidizing the monthly car-park renewal (1/2 if not full)? What about giving discounts to crews when purchase food on board? Are these too much to ask? You don't need to run a legacy airline to treat staffs better. You asked Bus to list out what he/she & other crews want? Isn't that the management job to figure out? Creating a condusive workplace environment is the responsibilities of the company not waiting for staffs to voice out.
Mr Fly, we don't expect legacy treatment from a low-cost. If this is the range of pay they can afford then, at least, work on some basic fringe benefits/privilege. Other low-cost airlines may be worse but, wanting to be a successful low-cost airlines, the mgmt shld realize that it's the PEOPLE in the company that contributes to its success so, it's important to look after the staffs' welfare in order to retain good quality ppl esp tech crew. If the company has quantity but no quality, will you put yourself or your family to fly with that airline? Conclusion is, to succeed is make it your own way not to compare with those worse or less better than you. If a company keeps comparing with those worse than them, then the company will not improve.
Mr Fly, we don't expect legacy treatment from a low-cost. If this is the range of pay they can afford then, at least, work on some basic fringe benefits/privilege. Other low-cost airlines may be worse but, wanting to be a successful low-cost airlines, the mgmt shld realize that it's the PEOPLE in the company that contributes to its success so, it's important to look after the staffs' welfare in order to retain good quality ppl esp tech crew. If the company has quantity but no quality, will you put yourself or your family to fly with that airline? Conclusion is, to succeed is make it your own way not to compare with those worse or less better than you. If a company keeps comparing with those worse than them, then the company will not improve.
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Rage funny you asked i can definitely think of a few things that can be implemented immediately without too many problems - medical - parking - as KOJ alluded to discount for crew on board - what i guess a few have said in this forum is the fact that the product maybe low cost but the result is not, i dont see service being compromise infact Airasia have won 3 years running best low cost airline awards.
The amount of money Airasia have made is certainly not " low cost " i think most people are getting a little fed up that the company who now definitely stands out globally both in terms of finance and stature can now afford to be a little bit more generous to the very people who have made it so successful.
Hey 74world if you have nothing clever to say keep it bottled will yea
KOJ regardless what all the others think Airasia is no longer a fly on the
wall, it is now a real threat to legacy airlines of the asian region it is making money handsomely and traffic loads have increased YOY so i really think its time TF invest back on the people who got him there instead of spending millions on a stupid football club that gets thrashed at craven cottage
The amount of money Airasia have made is certainly not " low cost "
i think most people are getting a little fed up that the company who now definitely stands out globally both in terms of finance and stature can now afford to be a little bit more generous to the very people who have made it so successful.Hey 74world if you have nothing clever to say keep it bottled will yea
KOJ regardless what all the others think Airasia is no longer a fly on the
wall, it is now a real threat to legacy airlines of the asian region it is making money handsomely and traffic loads have increased YOY so i really think its time TF invest back on the people who got him there instead of spending millions on a stupid football club that gets thrashed at craven cottage
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Hey 320busdriver, why do you keep posting on AK ? You are not working for Air Asia since it is such a low cost company....unless you are an idiot or also a frustrated FO (waiting for an upgrade) if I follow your line of thinking 
If you are with AK I am pretty sure they haven't picked your CV out of nowhere and begged you to join have they?????
If you have made a mistake and you are miserable, easy: LEAVE !
If you are with AK I am pretty sure they haven't picked your CV out of nowhere and begged you to join have they?????
If you have made a mistake and you are miserable, easy: LEAVE !
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ROAD SHOW
Anyway back to the topic. The question was asked about the Air Asia Road Show. One would not bother having one if they were not going to offer anything. Obviously no comparison to the EK roadshow, but still worth a look for to see what you could go to contract with, all be it for a short term way of getting 500 on type to sell to a more retention friendly operation. T's and C's equal long term employees. Maybe the guy doesn't want people to stay. Maybe he wants things his way for his price and encourages turnover of people that start having opinions once the shine of the job wears off. There are plenty of companies like this. After all folks, the great pilot shortage is still all talk. So if it suits your domocile, your family, or your career path to get time if your cashed up, then go for it. For everyone else, we'll just stay doing what we do in the domocile of choice till the T's and C's start becoming attractive, if ever.
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Mr 74world,
This is just an honest opinion. The co expects 100% from us - call us for help on our day off, we helped while some of us that have started with the company just when there were only 4 fleets were not recognized & appreciated. Anyway, since the co won't change only way is - we change. Just don't call us "ungrateful".
This is just an honest opinion. The co expects 100% from us - call us for help on our day off, we helped while some of us that have started with the company just when there were only 4 fleets were not recognized & appreciated. Anyway, since the co won't change only way is - we change. Just don't call us "ungrateful".
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KingofJustice I hear what you are saying, welcome to the real world !
Unfortunately AK is no different than other companies worldwide, they expect 110% from their staff.
Worldwide pilots conditions have decreased, it doesn't matter which part of the world you look at, it's more or less the same.
Even legacy carriers in the States aren't paying the huge salaries they use to....
Unfortunately AK is no different than other companies worldwide, they expect 110% from their staff.
Worldwide pilots conditions have decreased, it doesn't matter which part of the world you look at, it's more or less the same.
Even legacy carriers in the States aren't paying the huge salaries they use to....