easyJet Pilot Recruitment 2012
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bluearrow, that's a very provocative statement and likely to detract from the original point of the discussion. However, suffice to say when I signed up with CTC the deal was very different to what it is now. FlexiCrew are your future colleagues, like it or not. Try not to be too judgemental.
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I have worked for easyJet for many years and frankly get worn down with some of the stuff on here. The cadets are not not on 'dreadful contracts' in terms of the money they earn - the key problem is the lack of certainty over regular income, which can only come from a permanent contract. We know that there are problems, but it is not all bad. Robert G Mugabe's 'insight' is just why management cannot be bothered very often with pilot input - it is negative, unproductive and always talking the company down. I do not share Mr Mugabe's views and can only back easyJet's willingnes to take on new bases which may or may not work. Hardly any airline has made a success of a NCL base - it is a miracle we still have one working at the moment, and we should rejoice at the efforts being made. I hope that it may expand rather than contract, but time will tell.
Bluearrow's views, which I have had to read several times to understand the grammar, are unfortunate and reveal a lack of insight as to the realistic ways into aviation these days. I do not like CTC any more than he does, but I recognise that if you want to become a professional pilot you have to deal with them. Incidentally, there are numerous CTC graduates at easyJet now earning the best part of £100k a year, and some are now Training Captains earning more than that - it might not be the deals that Cathy and BA pilots have had, but it is hardly a personal disaster.
Bluearrow's views, which I have had to read several times to understand the grammar, are unfortunate and reveal a lack of insight as to the realistic ways into aviation these days. I do not like CTC any more than he does, but I recognise that if you want to become a professional pilot you have to deal with them. Incidentally, there are numerous CTC graduates at easyJet now earning the best part of £100k a year, and some are now Training Captains earning more than that - it might not be the deals that Cathy and BA pilots have had, but it is hardly a personal disaster.
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Alexander's view on the matter seems to match the idea I had regarding Easyjet T&C's , it has always been regarded as one of the best LCC's to work for , however this new LIS contract is a disaster and unless you have other sources of income and aviation is nothing but a hobby, or you are simply desperate ,you should be concious of the fact that by accepting it you will be selling out our job status very,very cheap. It's more of a tragedy than a disaster and I can't find any valid excuses for accepting this insult, because that's what it is, a blunt in-your-face insult to all of us. If you do a little research you will realize that this base has big chances of proving itself to be profitable, because the flag carrier is in turmoil, with upcoming industrial action and privatization,and we all know where this usually leads, that´s why Easy is betting on this horse. It's not a shot in the dark, it's a carefully designed plan that has been maturing for years.
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Why don't you and your unions push towards less piss-taking, rather than demanding people not to sign ? When will you guys finally stand up and bang on that table demanding better consideration and better T&Cs from managers loaded with fat bonuses ??? When will you have the balls to act, for goodness sake ?
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Flap3- higher pitch attitude on approach and during flare, less drag - more risk of long landing/ tailscrape. Less tolerant of mis-handling during flare. After a few dodgy landings,now restricted to those with a few hours experience on type.
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I do not share Mr Mugabe's views and can only back easyJet's willingnes to take on new bases which may or may not work. Hardly any airline has made a success of a NCL base - it is a miracle we still have one working at the moment, and we should rejoice at the efforts being made. I hope that it may expand rather than contract, but time will tell.
Southend will have 3 aircraft based from crews and airframes taken from STN.
LIS will have 3 aircraft based.
All I am saying is that easyjet have form with closing unproductive bases and 3 frames seems to be the magic number.
As for pilots input. The management do not take account of pilots input at all. They just require financial savings ( Fuel ) and statistical improvements ( OTP ) in order to prove to institutional investors that the company is worth investing in. Those are this years aims. Might change next year.
With regard to giving people the chance of employment. When I joined I was employed by easyjet and time barred for 3 years. They took the financial risk and thus were more reticent about who they employed ( please note I am not talking about competence). Now the candidate takes all of the financial risk so the company can hire/ contract any thing/person they want because it does not effect them. Or so they thought....
Following several incidents we have more restrictive limits placed on new pilots. However here is the rub it is more cost effective ( insurance wise ) to do this and pay for additional recency requirements than to pay for full easyjet employees.
If you join for the Lisbon base you will be a second class easyjet citizen. You will more than likely be a contractor if joining from outside and if you are mad enough to change from another easyjet position you will be accepting poorer terms and conditions. Management have accepted that they can only get you back to the country you joined from if it does not work. Not even your existing base.
It is only a two year contract after all so you take the risk.
That said look after your family. Do not give a monkeys about the existing pilots concerns because the body tasked and paid for with that ( BALPA ) has been remiss and inept in allowing the present state of affairs. Company Reps taking management positions. LGW .Regional members being the first to sell their 5/4/5/3 for flexible rosters over the summer. Another discussion for another day...
Do not think that you are joining a family if you are joining easyjet. you are more like the hired help and will be got rid of when the time is right.
Your choice.
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FRying - You appear to have a number of misunderstandings about easyJet, the most notable one being that you could 'be in their LH seat tomorrow morning'. If you were fortunate enough to be selected as a First Officer from the numerous external applicants, you would wait your turn for command like everyone else - that would probably mean at least 2-3 years right now, and possibly much longer. I have no idea who you are working for, but if you are in a position to turn your nose up at easyJet Terms and Conditions, you either do not know what they are or it must be someone pretty special. For our sake and for yours, you are making the right choice staying exactly where you are.
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I read "no flap 3 training for cadet pilots". What's the big deal with flaps 3 ??? It sounds like some serious threat to the hull's safety
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Summary about EZY
EZY is only on good Terms and Conditions in Spain, Italy and France because the pilots with their union have fought to get those TandC...not because EZY is a nice company.
In the UK the T and C are going down (relatively)
For example:
-In the UK a captain salary is similar to a FO on the continent (except Germany).
-Flexicrew are accepted in the UK and not in Spain, Italy or France (in France it is tolerated a maximum time). In Germany, they try to stop the flexicrew and went on strike few times
-All the new FO in the UK are flexicrew. easyJet gives permanent contract to FO only for bases on the continent because they are obliged to do so...(they do not accept flexicrew overthere)
easyJet is one of the most successful airline in the world making more than 200 millions pounds this year and they do offer only permanent position for guys based on the continent because they obliged to do so...all the rest is contractor in the for FO!
BALPA and their pilots are sleeping...and their managers laughing at them making bigger and bigger bonuses
Also, the way easyJet gives permanent contract is very subjective. No transparency at all
After the flexi crew and Lisbon contract, if still some guys think that easyJet is a nice company good luck to them
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In the UK the T and C are going down (relatively)
For example:
-In the UK a captain salary is similar to a FO on the continent (except Germany).
-Flexicrew are accepted in the UK and not in Spain, Italy or France (in France it is tolerated a maximum time). In Germany, they try to stop the flexicrew and went on strike few times
-All the new FO in the UK are flexicrew. easyJet gives permanent contract to FO only for bases on the continent because they are obliged to do so...(they do not accept flexicrew overthere)
easyJet is one of the most successful airline in the world making more than 200 millions pounds this year and they do offer only permanent position for guys based on the continent because they obliged to do so...all the rest is contractor in the for FO!
BALPA and their pilots are sleeping...and their managers laughing at them making bigger and bigger bonuses
Also, the way easyJet gives permanent contract is very subjective. No transparency at all
After the flexi crew and Lisbon contract, if still some guys think that easyJet is a nice company good luck to them
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Welcome to the world.
Do you expect anything different from any other company around the globe? easyjet acts exactly like any other big business on the planet, the system is to blame before the company. unions can (and should) delay the process as much as possible, but if you don't change the system nothing will ever change.
Do you expect anything different from any other company around the globe? easyjet acts exactly like any other big business on the planet, the system is to blame before the company. unions can (and should) delay the process as much as possible, but if you don't change the system nothing will ever change.
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Change to come
easyJet and CTC are in for a shock. The eurozone is in deep crises. I can't see easyJet/CTC getting the vast numbers of cadets in the foreseeable future. No banks will go down through this path anymore. So unless he/she has wealthy parents, prepared to pay for license and easyjet type rating bond easyJet will see the pond dry up, quickly. That will force EZY to change their T&C's and hire A320 qualified pilots.
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I've never heard such nonsense. The reason EZY Captains in euro zone earn relatively more is because the contracts were dreamt up in 2004, way before the £ tanked against the €. NOT because of any union.
As for CTC and EZY not getting more Cadets.........of course they will, they'll never, ever hire like they used to. No more type ratings.
As for CTC and EZY not getting more Cadets.........of course they will, they'll never, ever hire like they used to. No more type ratings.
Buzzlight, that is one way to look at it however I dont think future prospective cadets will really have a problem raising the cash required. As long as the banks are provided with suitable security then they don't appear to think twice, I don't see that changing anytime soon. They get there money back, and more, one way or another.
The biggest problem ctc and easyjet will encounter is the slowdown we can expect in the coming months and years. easyJet are on a never ending cost cutting exercise which can only accelerate. Where that leaves ctc/ cadets/ experienced A320 pilots then who knows, but easyjet will never have a problem with recruitment and I'm sure they know it
The biggest problem ctc and easyjet will encounter is the slowdown we can expect in the coming months and years. easyJet are on a never ending cost cutting exercise which can only accelerate. Where that leaves ctc/ cadets/ experienced A320 pilots then who knows, but easyjet will never have a problem with recruitment and I'm sure they know it
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Anyone thinking EZ, or any airline for that matter, will pay you well because they're nice or because they're short on pilots, is wrong. Any money they'll pay you will be deduced from their bonuses. This is a mere transfer of charges.
If you guys don't fight, thinking "you have to be modern, you have to adapt to an ever changing world, if you demand too much you'll be losing it all", you'll be the suckers in that bullies game. Therefore, you must defend your positions, for you own sake and for the rest of the pilots' community. Even if BALPA cannot get in a perfect straight line with the French and the German, still they should try and come with more convergence and get a firm grip on your management's stance.
If you guys don't fight, thinking "you have to be modern, you have to adapt to an ever changing world, if you demand too much you'll be losing it all", you'll be the suckers in that bullies game. Therefore, you must defend your positions, for you own sake and for the rest of the pilots' community. Even if BALPA cannot get in a perfect straight line with the French and the German, still they should try and come with more convergence and get a firm grip on your management's stance.
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fleet expansion/recruitment drive
Does anybody from CTC/EZY know: If the present level of training/recruitment of cadets will continue through the busy summer period?
The Winter period is when an airline would normally allocate resources toward getting a full compliment of crew on the line- But I am not sure how this will fit in with an airline which has a steady increase in fleet size scheduled.
I am hoping that Easy will have a steady demand throughout the year, and not need to slow down expansion... I guess it comes down to utilising the aircraft they have with the operational demand first, any excess resource can be put toward training- is that how it will generally work?
The Winter period is when an airline would normally allocate resources toward getting a full compliment of crew on the line- But I am not sure how this will fit in with an airline which has a steady increase in fleet size scheduled.
I am hoping that Easy will have a steady demand throughout the year, and not need to slow down expansion... I guess it comes down to utilising the aircraft they have with the operational demand first, any excess resource can be put toward training- is that how it will generally work?
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Hi guys, just wondering what those interviews are for? CTC ab-ignition or are you type rated and going for flexi-crew?
I'm just a skipper in EZY and have no idea what the state of play is with regard to recruitment other than management seem to have wet dreams about the amount of people who are wanting to sign up to the flexi-crew scheme.
I'm just a skipper in EZY and have no idea what the state of play is with regard to recruitment other than management seem to have wet dreams about the amount of people who are wanting to sign up to the flexi-crew scheme.