easyJet Pilot Recruitment 2012
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First of all, I think that easyJet is a good place to work. Secondly, guys going there as DE A320 pilots are well on the way to early commands, which can only be a bonus.
I think that usualguy is not really the muppet some of you may have assumed. I suspect that English is not his first language and consequently he may not have done himself justice in his delivery. His points are worth considering, even though I do not fully agree with his position. He is absolutely correct that there are thousands of unemployed 'pilots' in Europe. I use the word 'pilots' with caution as these are mainly people with no commercial experience but do possess a commercial pilot's licence in some form or other. There are considerably less experienced pilots with credible commercial flying under their belt. That has always been the case and always will be. Regarding usualguy's assertion that easyJet will never employ 200 hour pilots, it is absolutely not true - they have done throughout their whole 15 year + existence and continue to do so and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. What is true to say is that those pilots are taken from a limited range of flight training schools - specifically CTC and Oxford. These are essentially cartel-type deals where these schools charge staggering sums of money for courses with the unspoken understanding that a job will appear at the end. In addition, Oxford have a tie-up with a Dutch school called EPST (or something similar) and charge a pile of money on top for taking the pupils. The good bit is they arrange a 25 year (yes that's right) mortgage to pay for it costing around 1400 Euros a month for that loan period. The total debt for a young person working as 'flexicrew' for easyJet is around 195,000 Euros. It would make most people's eyes water, but there it is.
The next lot coming to easyJet are the MPL people - 95 hours total flying time and a lot of time in a sim. They are then going to be flying an Airbus round Europe. Pretty wild, but again that is the way it is.
I think that usualguy is not really the muppet some of you may have assumed. I suspect that English is not his first language and consequently he may not have done himself justice in his delivery. His points are worth considering, even though I do not fully agree with his position. He is absolutely correct that there are thousands of unemployed 'pilots' in Europe. I use the word 'pilots' with caution as these are mainly people with no commercial experience but do possess a commercial pilot's licence in some form or other. There are considerably less experienced pilots with credible commercial flying under their belt. That has always been the case and always will be. Regarding usualguy's assertion that easyJet will never employ 200 hour pilots, it is absolutely not true - they have done throughout their whole 15 year + existence and continue to do so and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. What is true to say is that those pilots are taken from a limited range of flight training schools - specifically CTC and Oxford. These are essentially cartel-type deals where these schools charge staggering sums of money for courses with the unspoken understanding that a job will appear at the end. In addition, Oxford have a tie-up with a Dutch school called EPST (or something similar) and charge a pile of money on top for taking the pupils. The good bit is they arrange a 25 year (yes that's right) mortgage to pay for it costing around 1400 Euros a month for that loan period. The total debt for a young person working as 'flexicrew' for easyJet is around 195,000 Euros. It would make most people's eyes water, but there it is.
The next lot coming to easyJet are the MPL people - 95 hours total flying time and a lot of time in a sim. They are then going to be flying an Airbus round Europe. Pretty wild, but again that is the way it is.
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Cockpit crisis - World - Macleans.ca
The above link is a long but interesting read as to why 50 aircraft have been lost in five years due to loss of control.
.............and now we require even less of new entrants through schemes like the MPL ???
.........anyway about Easy recruitment....good luck
The above link is a long but interesting read as to why 50 aircraft have been lost in five years due to loss of control.
.............and now we require even less of new entrants through schemes like the MPL ???
.........anyway about Easy recruitment....good luck
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A330 rated
At the moment I am cpt on 330/340.
I'd love to join Easy as f/o on the 320 because i see it as a long term job and because i want to move back closer to home (europe)
Considering the possibility to get an upgrade in a few years I think it really is a great chance. I am only sorry that the A330 at the moment is not considered.
Let's wait and hope
I'd love to join Easy as f/o on the 320 because i see it as a long term job and because i want to move back closer to home (europe)
Considering the possibility to get an upgrade in a few years I think it really is a great chance. I am only sorry that the A330 at the moment is not considered.
Let's wait and hope
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Flareflyer,
your post sounds like a joke to me...... Or a free ad for Easy.... To leave a LH seat 330-340 for a RHS 320. means you don't need a salary..... They are good 330 jobs with bases in Europe! Just open your EYES.
your post sounds like a joke to me...... Or a free ad for Easy.... To leave a LH seat 330-340 for a RHS 320. means you don't need a salary..... They are good 330 jobs with bases in Europe! Just open your EYES.
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Dear Labomba
I do not think you can judge my decision to give up a LHS on the 330 for a RHS 320.
I have been in the middle east for almost 8 years and believe me that not only me would swap that position.
I see Easy jet as a long term job. I'd obviously prefer a DEC job with them but I also understand that it is not respectful for those FOs enough experienced waiting their turn. We had DEC in our company and even if most of them are good persons it has not been the best decision.
I have to fly 20 more years and spending a few years on the RHS would be nothing compared to what me and my family would gain in lifestyle.
In my actual job I fly 90 hours a month, loosing an average of 8/10 nights a month with not more than 10 days off............ do you really see it as a great position??
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I do not think you can judge my decision to give up a LHS on the 330 for a RHS 320.
I have been in the middle east for almost 8 years and believe me that not only me would swap that position.
I see Easy jet as a long term job. I'd obviously prefer a DEC job with them but I also understand that it is not respectful for those FOs enough experienced waiting their turn. We had DEC in our company and even if most of them are good persons it has not been the best decision.
I have to fly 20 more years and spending a few years on the RHS would be nothing compared to what me and my family would gain in lifestyle.
In my actual job I fly 90 hours a month, loosing an average of 8/10 nights a month with not more than 10 days off............ do you really see it as a great position??
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Flareflyer,
The point really is that eJ don't seem to have enough future Captains, or if they do, the pool is pretty thinly spread it appears.
To me it seems eJ are not able to take DEC's in the sense of the word - even if they need them. Therefore, they take DE SFO's again and promote those guys almost instantly I would hope.
I stand by what I said earlier. With your pedigree, you should be aiming higher than the RHS for a few years at eJ.
Good luck in your application when you're able to submit it. I hope you succeed.
The point really is that eJ don't seem to have enough future Captains, or if they do, the pool is pretty thinly spread it appears.
To me it seems eJ are not able to take DEC's in the sense of the word - even if they need them. Therefore, they take DE SFO's again and promote those guys almost instantly I would hope.
I stand by what I said earlier. With your pedigree, you should be aiming higher than the RHS for a few years at eJ.
Good luck in your application when you're able to submit it. I hope you succeed.
I think we are fortunate enough to forget that getting paid to fly big shiny jets, is still, at the end of a day just a job to pay the bills.
Its very easy to say that flareflyer should wait for DEC somewhere else, but I'm in a situation similar of being in a country/continent I don't want to be in, and where my wife is currently not residing.
Family should always come first, and it's only one of a few jobs, where family is sometimes put on the back burner far more then any other job I can think of.
Unless you're in that position, it's very hard to understand the logic of something thinking like this. My plans are to gain a Loco command shortly to gain enough experience to be employable as a FO on the type I'm already on, in the US (where my wife is from and currently studying). I agree with flareflyer it's a small sacrifice to make for a happy home life, and lets face it everyone in every walk of life wants that!
Its very easy to say that flareflyer should wait for DEC somewhere else, but I'm in a situation similar of being in a country/continent I don't want to be in, and where my wife is currently not residing.
Family should always come first, and it's only one of a few jobs, where family is sometimes put on the back burner far more then any other job I can think of.
Unless you're in that position, it's very hard to understand the logic of something thinking like this. My plans are to gain a Loco command shortly to gain enough experience to be employable as a FO on the type I'm already on, in the US (where my wife is from and currently studying). I agree with flareflyer it's a small sacrifice to make for a happy home life, and lets face it everyone in every walk of life wants that!
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NR - There gets a point in time that regardless of the metal you're strapped to or the number of engines keeping you alive, it's the family and personal relationships that become more important.
I'm in a position where I could go off to the sandpit and in time fly anything up to the A380, or join BA and be away all the time - but my family wouldn't be happy - instead I'm quite happy to sit in the RHS on an A320 - brand new planes, 100 routes, home every night, great crews and the company makes money - the command will come in time.
Flare flyer is the guy EJ should be recruiting - both seats would value his experience. Do apply and good luck with it..
I'm in a position where I could go off to the sandpit and in time fly anything up to the A380, or join BA and be away all the time - but my family wouldn't be happy - instead I'm quite happy to sit in the RHS on an A320 - brand new planes, 100 routes, home every night, great crews and the company makes money - the command will come in time.
Flare flyer is the guy EJ should be recruiting - both seats would value his experience. Do apply and good luck with it..
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Dear NR,
I understand your doubts regarding my choice. It might sound quite odd to give away a job like mine for a job like easy-jet.
I flew long haul, medium and short haul, many days away from home and many turn arounds.
Now I have enough experience to know what best suits for me and my family.
Easy jet gives you the chance to have a nice job, quite various routes, good salary, multi language environment, and not to forget a solid background.
The rosters are designed to maximize the flying hours but also to have proper rest (something that where i work now is absolutely disregarded).
Maybe the only doubt is for my wife.......... will she be able to see me everyday
????
I understand your doubts regarding my choice. It might sound quite odd to give away a job like mine for a job like easy-jet.
I flew long haul, medium and short haul, many days away from home and many turn arounds.
Now I have enough experience to know what best suits for me and my family.
Easy jet gives you the chance to have a nice job, quite various routes, good salary, multi language environment, and not to forget a solid background.
The rosters are designed to maximize the flying hours but also to have proper rest (something that where i work now is absolutely disregarded).
Maybe the only doubt is for my wife.......... will she be able to see me everyday
????
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I can completely understand where flareflyer is coming from.
Im in the M.E aswell but I'm an FO on the 777 and although it would be quite a big paycut for me. Im hoping that Easyjet will open up to non type rated guys!
Trust me after a few years in the M.E you will understand why
And yes I have applied to BA just waiting for an interview slot, but I would also very happily take a job with Easyjet.
To be back home in Blighty even with all it's problems, will more than make up for the pay cut and loosing long haul!
Im in the M.E aswell but I'm an FO on the 777 and although it would be quite a big paycut for me. Im hoping that Easyjet will open up to non type rated guys!
Trust me after a few years in the M.E you will understand why
And yes I have applied to BA just waiting for an interview slot, but I would also very happily take a job with Easyjet.
To be back home in Blighty even with all it's problems, will more than make up for the pay cut and loosing long haul!
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Maybe my post was ambiguous.
It's not about long/medium/shorthaul.
It's about giving up a Command. If you've never held one, it's impossible to know the implications.
I wish you all the best Flareflyer. You have sound reasons for your hopes - your family and sanity.
My concern would be how long it may take to regain Command, especially if the West takes another tumble.
Good luck.
It's not about long/medium/shorthaul.
It's about giving up a Command. If you've never held one, it's impossible to know the implications.
I wish you all the best Flareflyer. You have sound reasons for your hopes - your family and sanity.
My concern would be how long it may take to regain Command, especially if the West takes another tumble.
Good luck.
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There is always a risk in moving to another company, but Narrow Runway is making a calculated decision that seems likely to work out. From easyJet's perspective he is exactly who they want to apply, as he can be a captain easily within a year. As others have said, there are no guarantees, because if Stelios gets his way the expansion will be curtailed significantly. Also there is some economic uncertainty - that has always been the case. A factor to consider in that is that easyJet may do well from an economic blip as other less fortunate carriers go under. EasyJet have had a fantastic summer and look set to return a healthy profit for the year ending Sep 30th (results to be announced early November).
If a whole pile of highly-qualified and capable ME-based Airbus-rated Captains/FOs apply for easyJet, and I think that is quite likely, then easyJet will see this as a vindication of their recruitment policy of the last few years. Loads of instantly-promotable FOs in place who were all paid for by someone else, all with at least a year of easyJet experience behind them - hard to argue that such a situation is anything other than win-win for company and pilots alike.
If a whole pile of highly-qualified and capable ME-based Airbus-rated Captains/FOs apply for easyJet, and I think that is quite likely, then easyJet will see this as a vindication of their recruitment policy of the last few years. Loads of instantly-promotable FOs in place who were all paid for by someone else, all with at least a year of easyJet experience behind them - hard to argue that such a situation is anything other than win-win for company and pilots alike.
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So if and when they find that they need to cast the net out a little further to non-TR'd guys, does anyone have any idea of what might be on offer? TRSS again? If they were to make you pay for your type rating then I don't see why they would ask for A320 only in the first place as they wouldn't be paying for it! - Must want them on line quickly to upgrade them asap possibly...
Also I know they used to factorize hours, is this still the case?
Also I know they used to factorize hours, is this still the case?
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Not trying to pick a fight here but just how exactly is it impossible to know the implications of giving up a command just because I haven't had one yet?
I've never been out with a Victoria Secrets underwear model, but I certainly know the consequences of giving one up!
Funny how no one thinks it's crazy to give up a command to join BA because it is seen as the top job in the UK at the moment. All I am saying is that for a lot of people in the Sandpit looking to get back to the UK. Easyjet is worth giving up a command or taking a paycut, plus with the bonus that you are likely to get back your command much quicker than with BA.
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It's about giving up a Command. If you've never held one, it's impossible to know the implications.
I've never been out with a Victoria Secrets underwear model, but I certainly know the consequences of giving one up!
Funny how no one thinks it's crazy to give up a command to join BA because it is seen as the top job in the UK at the moment. All I am saying is that for a lot of people in the Sandpit looking to get back to the UK. Easyjet is worth giving up a command or taking a paycut, plus with the bonus that you are likely to get back your command much quicker than with BA.
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to join BA because it is seen as the top job in the UK at the moment.
commuting to Heathrow, bottom of the seniority list, working every weekend and bank holiday, away all the time even on shorthaul, years if not decades to command.....
I couldn't think of anything worse !
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Yes I agree it is very subjective, horse's for courses and all that!
What I should of said is a lot of people see it as the best job at the moment in the UK.
Seeing as around 2000 people applied for the latest BA selection and a lot of guys are leaving Easy to go to BA, which is one of the reasons Easy want experienced guys again.
Anyways apologies for the thread creep I will shut up now, and hope that Easy will open up for non-rated guys like myself.
What I should of said is a lot of people see it as the best job at the moment in the UK.
Seeing as around 2000 people applied for the latest BA selection and a lot of guys are leaving Easy to go to BA, which is one of the reasons Easy want experienced guys again.
Anyways apologies for the thread creep I will shut up now, and hope that Easy will open up for non-rated guys like myself.
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Guys there will be 204 aircraft during winter 2011 in easyjet and there will still be 204 aircraft during winter 2012. And I believe the fleet is only expected to grow to 215 frames in total.
THERE WILL NOT BE ANY FAST TRACK COMMANDS... if anything it will slow down.
Easyjet is getting a lot of criticism from the CAA for having a huge experience gap. At the moment in LGW the entire experience in the flightdeck is often only sub 4000 hours total! Yes that is captain and FO together.
And this happens to new captains 5 days in a row, accident waiting to happen?
Easyjet has to fill this experience gap, also BA has taken a lot of the more experienced cadets (1000hrs) so there could be a command problem in 3 years time. Although this is unlikely as the fleet growth will be minimal.
So I think they are looking to recruit guys who just unfroze their ATPL with around 1500 hrs under their belt. They just want to be sure there are enough bodies that they can upgrade if neccessary, that doesn't mean they will upgrade those bodies.
I wouldn't be surprised if this recruitment of DEFO is just to keep the CAA happy, and that easyjet would be happy to show the CAA they can't get any experienced FO's.
As for the economic crisis, it is very likely that the current BA recruitment has got everything to do with next years olympic games. What happens after that remains a mystery.....
And by now we all know how the legacy airlines were hurt in 2008...
THERE WILL NOT BE ANY FAST TRACK COMMANDS... if anything it will slow down.
Easyjet is getting a lot of criticism from the CAA for having a huge experience gap. At the moment in LGW the entire experience in the flightdeck is often only sub 4000 hours total! Yes that is captain and FO together.
And this happens to new captains 5 days in a row, accident waiting to happen?
Easyjet has to fill this experience gap, also BA has taken a lot of the more experienced cadets (1000hrs) so there could be a command problem in 3 years time. Although this is unlikely as the fleet growth will be minimal.
So I think they are looking to recruit guys who just unfroze their ATPL with around 1500 hrs under their belt. They just want to be sure there are enough bodies that they can upgrade if neccessary, that doesn't mean they will upgrade those bodies.
I wouldn't be surprised if this recruitment of DEFO is just to keep the CAA happy, and that easyjet would be happy to show the CAA they can't get any experienced FO's.
As for the economic crisis, it is very likely that the current BA recruitment has got everything to do with next years olympic games. What happens after that remains a mystery.....
And by now we all know how the legacy airlines were hurt in 2008...
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The way in which EZY has structured it's initial and, more importantly, it's recurrent training mitigates the perceived risk of crewing two relatively inexperienced together. Indeed, two 3* (i.e. inexperienced) crew members are not allowed to fly together. Strict adherence to SOP's, ECAM & QRH procedures reduces the perceived risk significantly. The only area in which an inexperienced DEC/DEFO may screw up is therefore confined to poor commercial decision making and even that is mitgated by a requirement to consult with HQ whenever possible (via ACARS normally). Nevertheless, all new Captains are paid 90% of the normal basic pay until their probationary period is up, which is a form of compensation to the Company for minor commercial misdemeanors while the new guy/girl settles in. So overall, in EZY at least, I see no problem with the current level of experience in the flightdeck.