Swiss discrimination or it's everywhere??

[usualguy]

Just received an email from Swiss (Air):

We are sorry to tell you that the age limit of 38 as well as excellent knowledge of German (see information paper) are requirements for a Direct Entry A320 application. There can’t be made any exceptions.

how a german company can discriminate like this?german company in Switzerland.it seems switzerland is the only country on this continent who discriminate people included his own citizen.

where do you stand if you have 38days, and 1 minute? does it mean you can not fly anymore?.


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[No RYR for me]

What a load of non sense. Swiss is a very European company hiring a lot of Europeans. And although they might have a German shareholder it is still a Swiss company complying with Swiss law.

[Mr.Bloggs]

Swiss non-dominance

Errr they were bought, are now owned and effectively managed at the top by Germans, old chap. Had that not happened, they would have gone bankrupt for the 3rd time.

[RoyBoy20]

They may be hiring Europeans, but only those who speak German. Consider you were a Swiss national from the French or Italian part of the country, then you would still not be eligible to apply unless you speak German! It's absolutley ridiculous! Considering they are quite short of pilots, they are not helping themselves!

[Denti]

Knowledge of some local language is something that many if not most european carriers require. Weird that Swiss only requires german now, a few years it was german and french (both, not one of them). Age discrimination if of course outlawed in europe, but switzerland is not in the EU and therefore does not have to comply with european laws, quite possibly that is still legal there. By the way, there are a few areas where selection based on age is still allowed even in the EU.

[spoon84]

That's complety true! I'm Swiss and I always wanted to apply for Swiss since i was 23 but I couldn't because I don't have my mother tongue as German or I don't have a B2 certificate.

That's not correct for all the people in Switzerland, in fact it's true that German is the most important region and language but we are a country where the three regions are part of the cultural integrity of this modern country, said that Swiss doesn't want to reflect this aspect and I don't know if it's for a reason of save money or to make much easier the selection, they pretend you speak German (even if pilots should speak English).
I know that Lufthansa is the owner of Swiss now, but do not forget all the money that citizens paid to save it when it was bankrupt so not only germans save it but also the Franch and Italians regions in Switzerland did.

Then in the end you read in the newspapaers that they are short with pilots....(ah really?), that they have to cancel flights because of that (see the article about the flight to Sao Paolo in the internet), so I'm really frustrated about this, even if maybe the easiest way should be to go abroad and learn german but i give up and I changed my mind. Went to Skyguide selection that even if you don't speak german but another "Swiss language" like French or Italian, they accept you (as it should be)! Now i passed the selection and I should start the ATCO training asap.
Maybe Swiss should learn from them.... who knows!?

[usualguy]

Then in the end you read in the newspapaers that they are short with pilots....(ah really?)

They have a flight school right here in zurich in same building , and use Swiss as a carot to attract wanabes and promise them they will get a job. Same thing with Oxford Aviation and BA.

I don't believe they have a pilot shortage. When all airlines in the world struggle and kick pilots out or are simply not hiring! no exception means no job.
Still this company is unfair, they cost to us 15 billion of euro, the biggest loss since the 2nd worldwar and now make fun of people.

I don't know any swiss citizen who got a job at Swiss as a pilot.Only for germans I think, or Swiss German.I know several employes from SwissAir who left because it was too hard to work for the new managment.

I know a few guys in the french part, what they have left :"Flybaboo" still not sure if this company still exist (or bought by Darwin)and Darwin for the Swiss Italian, but they hire mainly Italian citizen because capitals are from Italia.
Switzerland is a dead pond if you are not part of the Swiss german Club apparently.

Anyway, I wouldn't be happy to fly for companies who use discrimination like: you are a Crossair, not a Swissair, oh well I got already other plans for next year!
Crossair was a great company and they hired lot of new guys even with 200 hours.
Crossair has been destroyed by Swiss, and gave no hope to the next generation of non swiss german pilots. It' s really sad how things have turn out these last 10 years in this cows country.

Just sent my CV on line to see what their answer would be. I knew already their answer in advance because Swiss German are stubborn and have a high nose attitude and deep inside them they hate us because we are better than them.

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[spoon84]

I agree with you that they act in not the correct way to the Swiss young pilots that have the dream to become pilots and can't because they are not germans. Anything against Germans, but just to be fair should be open for all the languages speak in Switzerland!

Anyway FlyBaboo was bought by Darwin, I know that Darwin is looking some pilots for SAAB2000 and Dash Q400 and they don't request any German ... or French or Italian, just English.

Full time employment

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Swiss or EU nationality;

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Minimum age 22 years;

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“First military course” terminated (Swiss citizens only);

•

Valid JAR/CPL or JAR/ATPL license;

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Valid JAR Class 1 medical certificate;

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Multi Engine Instrument Rating;

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Saab 2000 or Dash Q400 type rating

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Fluent in English –

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English Language Proficiency Level 4;

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MCC Course;

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Professional attitude and able to work in a team;

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Balanced personality and leadership;

• Reliable

I post you the requirments, don't know what kind of experience you have or type ratings.

[usualguy]

I think as long we have these problems(age, race, color, religion, your look, sex) in europe. we go into a wall.

I am a true believer of human right, and "we the people": should all be the same.
A good company should not discriminate pople.Swiss Air is not a good company, never been.

as for darwin, no , i have no dash 8 or S2000, and they take italian pilots mainly. No swiss guys.
sorry swiss pilots, but it seems your country hate you!

[Robert Vesco]

Nothing changes...

Hahaha, the Swiss are at it again!

S.W.I.S.S. (So What It's Still Swissair) is also know as the*"Zurich flying club," and in order to join you have to be able to speak Swiss German with a ZRH accent. Even the French and Italian speaking Swiss minorities are treated like sh!t.

Roughly 5 years ago they wrote me a letter asking me if I would consider joining them on the wonderful AVRO RJ. At that time I was rated on the Airbus with a few thousand hours on type, so just for fun of it I called them up and told them that I would only join on the Airbus. What ensued was an hilarious number of "errrrr's" and "ooooooh's" and "hmmmm's" from the person on the other side of the line. Bottom line: I could not join them on the Airbus despite being rated because I was "ex-Crossair."

Boyz, girlz, let's face it: the Swiss generally are simply a racist bunch! Unfortunately it's the (very nice!) exceptions that confirm this rule!

[TOGA 10]

@Robert Vesco

quote: the Swiss generally are simply a racist bunch!

This is simply not true...
we employ and have emploied many foreign pilots and treated them equally like the swiss colleagues also in difficult times...

I'm as well ex crossair and hate what happend in the past. But tell on an open forum that we are racist is simply not fair. I can not recall how many times I had to listen at the phone phrases like: "I'm sorry, but despite the fact you have the right rating and you speak the local language we can't hire you because our union dosn't want foreign pilots".... That happend when I applied in "civilized" countries like Italy, Portugal, Spain, ...

Sentenses like yours simply show your ignorance (and frustration?)

Fly safe

TOGA 10

[hetfield]

I agree with you that they act in not the correct way to the Swiss young pilots that have the dream to become pilots and can't because they are not germans.

@spoon

It's about language not nationality!

[rbaiapinto]

Nah nah

Do not include Portugal in this!

We do have a lot of foreign pilots here, don't know if we have Swiss ones. I'm aware of Germans, French, Brazilians and some more.

In TAP requirements you can see that there's only the need to speak Portuguese and JAA license. In other companies, sometimes it's just the JAA license.

We even got non-European pilots here.

And for us the Portuguese to get a job outside (or at least outside Europe) it is very, very hard.

And by the way, who said that we were a civilized country?

[hetfield]

In TAP requirements you can see that there's only the need to speak Portuguese

So what's wrong to speak German at swiss?

[spoon84]

Hi TOGA,

I really don't agree with @Robert Vesco, i'm Swiss but I don't think that we are:

quote: the Swiss generally are simply a racist bunch!

My problem with Swiss is that they only accept people who speak fluent German (or at least B2 level), i'm from Ticino and I think that like me many "ticinesi" or "romand" would like to work for their national airline, but if you dont speak you can't even send your application!! I speak Italian, French, English, Spanish and Portuguese but it seems not enough!
Swiss Airline is racist in this aspect and this can not be compare to any other airline like TAP, Alitalia or Lufthansa.
TAP ask for Portuguese, Alitalia for Italian and Lufhtnasa for German and I completly agree with them, I do not complaine about it or treat them like racist because they ONLY ask for their national language but in Switzerland we have three official languages so at least if you speak one or two correctly why can't be take into consideration for being a Swiss pilot! That's absurd and complety wrong and unfair! Don't you agree?!

[usualguy]

when I was 36, they told me they had no job and asked me to apply a year later,ok, no problem.

a year later, I reapplied and the answer was : -you are too old!

what a bunch of swiss fags, too old at 37. these b... they knew it...! really a stincky company, we call them Airluft. I will resign my swiss citizenship, and leave this country of swisstoto forever If I could!

when they receive your CV, they look if you are a true swiss german or a bosh or austrian (Austria is allright as Hitler was from Austria), if not they find a way to put your down, morally.you name must be Villiger, Zimmerman,Schnell or Archloch!
if your name is Mohamed,Enrico Matias or Steve Austin, just forget!

Swiss still hate the frenchies or the swiss french (the welsch) and the italian( and the Ticinese) as they have kicked the bosh' ass with US ,Canad and Africa in 1945 in Normandy, this is why they can not stand us.

I guess every swiss has been psychologically affected by swiss air and their irrespectuous behavior of "I know all", and its collapse in 2001 which had costed us 15 billion to the swiss Citizen.

Then a few years later it was the UBS bank, same type of Swiss-Bosh mentality. Pretentious and irresponsible when the big manager has put all the money of his clients in US subprimes.This disgusting fat fag now has left UBS with a golden parachute of several millions and live now in a muti million euro chalet and pay no tax, all paid by who? the Swiss citizen.

20 year ago , we got this madame Kopp affair. a politician lady in the police department, who her husband was trafficking with internationaly drug cartels and was never caught, guess why?,...when he and she was finally found, she was asked to leave and she receive now 30'000 swiss francs a month for her retirement.I don't know about mister Kopp, probably working at Swiss.


Even some Ex swiss air employees have written a book about their job at swiss air.
30'000 CHF monthly salary, 5 stars hotel, free first class staff travel,.. they can go to hell now.!

did you know pilot women were not allowed in a swiss air cockpit.How disgusting is that?
did you know women didn't have the right to vote until 1977 or even talk about politic?

Yes, It's really a retarded country.

[papazulu]

I can not recall how many times I had to listen at the phone phrases like: "I'm sorry, but despite the fact you have the right rating and you speak the local language we can't hire you because our union dosn't want foreign pilots".... That happend when I applied in "civilized" countries like Italy, Portugal, Spain, ...

That is utter rubbish, at least as far as Italy is concerned. Beside the fact that just a minority of pilots are properly represented by a union (i.e. Alitalia), the vast majority of Italian operators either don't have one (so there is way you can have that "justification") or have no problems to hire expats even if just through a contractor. The only requirement (like it SHOULD be everywhere else) is to speak English to an ICAO level.

PZ

[flydive1]

Usualguy, what a load of BS

I will resign my swiss citizenship, and leave this country of swisstoto forever If I could!

You can, nobody can force you to live there and nobody can force you to keep your Swiss citizienship.

You talk the talk, can you walk the walk?

[usualguy]

yes I know, where can I go with no nationality?.

Swiss people are doomed, because we have these swiss german everywhere.Personally I hate them with a few exceptions of course.I am a good guy and I don't like xenophobism or racism ( I am black by the way).

I have a swiss italian friend, he worked in Lausanne and Zurich, and he told me me he hated the swiss germans.He liked Lausanne and Geneva.

[foxcharliep2]

what a bunch of swiss fags, too old at 37. these b... they knew it...! really a stincky company, we call them Airluft. I will resign my swiss citizenship, and leave this country of swisstoto forever If I could

Nice rant, but you won't act, usualguy, because you act like a lil' boy stamping your feet , you are prob getting free cheese in Schwyz and it will be just more of your usual BS rant in your next post .... very entertaining, keep it up, I'm getting the popcorn