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Ryanair Standbys
Is anyone else getting really pissed off with the amount of standbys currently? With the way its going its time to get a second job just to bring in a few quid to cover the mortgage 
Pressman, don't be silly....
They're sending loads of guys out of base at the moment, I've just done two weeks out of base without requesting it.
Plenty of bases are downsizing for the winter, the bases I went to, had the crews downsized before the aircraft in question stopped operating.
Re sbys, I had 3 in my roster this week and flew 2, and they were the first in 3 months. Last month as FO I did 100 hrs, this month 60 with a week off.
I think it's lower in the UK, but it always is, too many people want to be in UK, and that's the price you pay my friend!
VJW
They're sending loads of guys out of base at the moment, I've just done two weeks out of base without requesting it.
Plenty of bases are downsizing for the winter, the bases I went to, had the crews downsized before the aircraft in question stopped operating.
Re sbys, I had 3 in my roster this week and flew 2, and they were the first in 3 months. Last month as FO I did 100 hrs, this month 60 with a week off.
I think it's lower in the UK, but it always is, too many people want to be in UK, and that's the price you pay my friend!
VJW
very surprised O'Leary hasn't sorted that out yet.
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Yes, I'm getting lots of standbys which is great.
That's the advantage of being a fully compliant tax and social contribution payer. I still get paid.
The advantage that the contractors have is that they get paid better when they do fly.
Can't have it all.
That's the advantage of being a fully compliant tax and social contribution payer. I still get paid.
The advantage that the contractors have is that they get paid better when they do fly.
Can't have it all.
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Do what I used to - base somewhere busy, fly home and live in my UK place on days off. Best of both worlds and always have a tan (in my case) 
Now based in Ireland (not FR)... I don't have a tan anymore...
Now based in Ireland (not FR)... I don't have a tan anymore...
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It is not only the FO's having more SB's, I finally got the base that I wanted this year but since April I have been send out of base almost 30% of the time (Contract says EXPECT about 20%)and now I am getting more and more SB's, in a few weeks even 3 in a row. If this continues I see no other way but looking elsewhere even though it is far away, mortgage etc. has to be paid.
It would be appreciated to have some kind of minimum confirmed hours from BRK pr. year, just to be able to make some kind of a budget. Another thing is, I am often told that BRK pilots earn more than FR pilots ?
I can only speak for my self, and for the time being I do get a net pay about the same as my fellow colleges in Rayanair after having paid pension and short time loss of license semilar to what they get, based on about 850 hours a year and with the current exhange rate !!
As Ryanair states, if I don't like to be here I am free to leave, fact is I like my job a lot, my colleges and the equiptment are top quality, sad the pay does'nt match up anymore.
It would be appreciated to have some kind of minimum confirmed hours from BRK pr. year, just to be able to make some kind of a budget. Another thing is, I am often told that BRK pilots earn more than FR pilots ?
I can only speak for my self, and for the time being I do get a net pay about the same as my fellow colleges in Rayanair after having paid pension and short time loss of license semilar to what they get, based on about 850 hours a year and with the current exhange rate !!
As Ryanair states, if I don't like to be here I am free to leave, fact is I like my job a lot, my colleges and the equiptment are top quality, sad the pay does'nt match up anymore.
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When are we going to realise the the brookfield contract sucks people need to stand uo to the bullies,Terms and conditions are constantly degrading and they will keep on doing so till we stand up to it.
There is no security in the contract they do what they like,They make people pay ridiculous money for a type rating then when it comes to work your lucky if you get 40 hours in the winter.
JOIN REPA.ORG stand up for our rights the more of us stand up the easier it is for everyone!!!!
There is no security in the contract they do what they like,They make people pay ridiculous money for a type rating then when it comes to work your lucky if you get 40 hours in the winter.
JOIN REPA.ORG stand up for our rights the more of us stand up the easier it is for everyone!!!!
I am getting more and more SB's, in a few weeks even 3 in a row.
The reality is that pay at Ryanair is not particularly good when you factor in the unpaid months off, the winter standbys and the lack of pension. It is, however, a good way to build hours in a JAR25 aircraft. The management know this and so do we.
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Mike hotel you hit the nail on the head there.. just build up the hours and go.
But wouldnt it be nice if we all got togetheir and joined a group that has pilots interests at heart specifically our own,Then maybe we can protect our 5 4 and stop base closures like MRS,get rid of the ridiculous brookfield situation who are meant to be contracters yet they dont even choose there own hours they work!nopay for stbys ,they have to use certain accountants Ppaying for type rating ,Paying for recurrent training twice a year,no duty time built into roster for positioning the list goes on...The next step will be 7 months on 5 months off contract..
3 billion in the bank dividends for the share holders yet the pilots the most skilled in the company we are still just numbers on a balance sheet and nothing else.
I dont know about you lot but I would like Ryanair to be a career airline at the moment its not.
That wont change unless we stand togetheir....
But wouldnt it be nice if we all got togetheir and joined a group that has pilots interests at heart specifically our own,Then maybe we can protect our 5 4 and stop base closures like MRS,get rid of the ridiculous brookfield situation who are meant to be contracters yet they dont even choose there own hours they work!nopay for stbys ,they have to use certain accountants Ppaying for type rating ,Paying for recurrent training twice a year,no duty time built into roster for positioning the list goes on...The next step will be 7 months on 5 months off contract..
3 billion in the bank dividends for the share holders yet the pilots the most skilled in the company we are still just numbers on a balance sheet and nothing else.
I dont know about you lot but I would like Ryanair to be a career airline at the moment its not.
That wont change unless we stand togetheir....
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I on the other hand am on the higher rate old BRK contract and still rostered for 4 and 5 days flying, theres no math too it all, just works out to an average number at the end of the year, just don't spend all the good months money on hookers and you will be fine.
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To sleep, perchance to dream.
TheGlide
The action (or more accurately inaction) of the last 10yrs would suggest that your noble ideals will never progress beyond a dream.
More solidarity, and willingness to stand together for a common cause,would be found in a brothel, more resolve to hold firm on prices too !
If you really believe that will EVER happen, better to leave now, dissilusioned, but not yet bitter.
Every man for himself, was, is , & regretably always will be, the rallying call for you bunch. Not that the rest of the industry is a whole lot more fraternal mind you.
TheGlide
The action (or more accurately inaction) of the last 10yrs would suggest that your noble ideals will never progress beyond a dream.
More solidarity, and willingness to stand together for a common cause,would be found in a brothel, more resolve to hold firm on prices too !
If you really believe that will EVER happen, better to leave now, dissilusioned, but not yet bitter.
Every man for himself, was, is , & regretably always will be, the rallying call for you bunch. Not that the rest of the industry is a whole lot more fraternal mind you.
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Capt PS, completely correct!!
It's the whole 'divide and conquer' scheme!! It's apparent in everyday operations, some people cutting block time and some adding it, all for their own benefit, however stupid their reasoning behind it is!!
People in this airline will NEVER group together for the good of the masses because it actually means being bothered about colleagues and the job (instead of arse covering and looking after yourself), something that's filtered out at the top of the chain!!
Glide
I couldn't think of many things worse than spending my whole career at FR, this place is soul destroying, especially when you have to fly with idiots who have never flown for a different airline and have no idea how it can actually be done!
Personally I cant wait for a route out!!
It's the whole 'divide and conquer' scheme!! It's apparent in everyday operations, some people cutting block time and some adding it, all for their own benefit, however stupid their reasoning behind it is!!
People in this airline will NEVER group together for the good of the masses because it actually means being bothered about colleagues and the job (instead of arse covering and looking after yourself), something that's filtered out at the top of the chain!!
Glide
I couldn't think of many things worse than spending my whole career at FR, this place is soul destroying, especially when you have to fly with idiots who have never flown for a different airline and have no idea how it can actually be done!
Personally I cant wait for a route out!!
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@ Gorlit
I couldn't think of many things worse than spending my whole career at FR, this place is soul destroying, especially when you have to fly with idiots who have never flown for a different airline and have no idea how it can actually be done!
I always find these sort of comments amusing especially from people in the Airline.
The reality is there is people standing up to the company, would you like a list of situations. I would classify you as someone who is not willing to contribute to the unionisation of the airline as worse.
What makes you any different from them if you wont show them the way from your extensive experience at other airlines.You would rather jump ship than contribute anything.
If change doesnt come it will be because people like you have nothing but contempt for you work mates.
I couldn't think of many things worse than spending my whole career at FR, this place is soul destroying, especially when you have to fly with idiots who have never flown for a different airline and have no idea how it can actually be done!
I always find these sort of comments amusing especially from people in the Airline.
The reality is there is people standing up to the company, would you like a list of situations. I would classify you as someone who is not willing to contribute to the unionisation of the airline as worse.
What makes you any different from them if you wont show them the way from your extensive experience at other airlines.You would rather jump ship than contribute anything.
If change doesnt come it will be because people like you have nothing but contempt for you work mates.
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@ Widered
Couldn't agree more, I don't care anymore, I've tried to do things but nobody wants to hear it!!
I don't have contempt for my colleagues, I feel it's a choice that each of us makes, staying or going, agreeing or disagreeing! I was merely saying that I find it frustrating when somebody has a go at me during work because I don't accept FR as the be-all and end-all that they view it as!
I can understand your sarcastic tones about my 'vast experience.' The sad truth is that my limited experience still gives me more understanding on how things can be done compared to a captain with more experience who only wants to cheat the system for their own gain!!
I hope it does change but I hope I've moved on before it comes in because I can't see it happening for a while!!
Couldn't agree more, I don't care anymore, I've tried to do things but nobody wants to hear it!!
I don't have contempt for my colleagues, I feel it's a choice that each of us makes, staying or going, agreeing or disagreeing! I was merely saying that I find it frustrating when somebody has a go at me during work because I don't accept FR as the be-all and end-all that they view it as!
I can understand your sarcastic tones about my 'vast experience.' The sad truth is that my limited experience still gives me more understanding on how things can be done compared to a captain with more experience who only wants to cheat the system for their own gain!!
I hope it does change but I hope I've moved on before it comes in because I can't see it happening for a while!!
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Uk based FO doing 4 flights in November on Brookfield contract and wondering how I'm going to pay my bills!
I suppose it might suit the young free and single but the prospect of a base move or another winter like last fills me with dread.
I'd love a salary and a bit of security don't know about the rest of you?
Nick
I suppose it might suit the young free and single but the prospect of a base move or another winter like last fills me with dread.
I'd love a salary and a bit of security don't know about the rest of you?
Nick
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Here here Nick, same up here in Scandinavia, 4 days work in November.
The December paycheck is going to be interesting, thanks for a bumper xmas FR !
ps. 5 new cadets started in the last few weeks, just as the reduced winter schedule kicked in, nothing against these cadets, but wtf ?
better get cracking on that EK app....
The December paycheck is going to be interesting, thanks for a bumper xmas FR !
ps. 5 new cadets started in the last few weeks, just as the reduced winter schedule kicked in, nothing against these cadets, but wtf ?
better get cracking on that EK app....
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Every years the same, the signs are always present, the memos looking for pilots to take unpaid leave etc...
Historically I always find the first winter month to be the worst, then it picks up a little, its been the same the past 2 winters by my experience.
Historically I always find the first winter month to be the worst, then it picks up a little, its been the same the past 2 winters by my experience.
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Hi Nick14, SkyGoose and McBruce,
Are you guys on 5/4, and working at a foreign base miles from home? If so and you only fly 4 days in a month, are you on standby for rest of the month? Or are you home?
Just wanted to check if 4 days working meant more time at home, or if it meant more time sitting around miles from home on standby.
Cheers
Clunk
Are you guys on 5/4, and working at a foreign base miles from home? If so and you only fly 4 days in a month, are you on standby for rest of the month? Or are you home?
Just wanted to check if 4 days working meant more time at home, or if it meant more time sitting around miles from home on standby.
Cheers
Clunk