Worldwide Pilot's shortage..... Myth or Fact?
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Worldwide Pilot's shortage..... Myth or Fact?
I've been hearing this a lot lately... just wondering how accurate these rumours are... Any thoughts folks?
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The main shortage according to some observers seems to be a worldwide lack of pilots willing to work for free, chained to the cockpit at all times of the clock. Pilots in non-unionized airlines tend to accept more than their unionized colleagues, on the count of individual job protection.
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I have no idea what so ever :L but i think that if pilots on this forum are talking about not being able to find jobs in the airline industry, it leads me to the assumption that jobs are running low, and that not many pilots are needed
Maybe too many?
Maybe too many?
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Typical story. Shortage of suitably qualified pilots. Mainly because noone wants to go and work at the places that treat them like crap or pays them so little that they have to go and work a second job.
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I've been hearing about the upcoming pilot shortage for about 20 years now. I can't wait until the time comes when the airlines start offering to pay TOP dollars to lure pilots.
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Not enough pilots in some parts of the world and too many in others. Regulation keeps those in the places of surplus from getting to the places of shortage. Try getting a work permit to go to America: not happening, but America needs pilots. Their problem I suppose.
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Not enough qualified pilots
and not enough companies willing to spend money on training those who, with a little help, could become qualified.
All we ever read in the jobs section is 500 hours on type. Who's to pay for the rating to achieve these 500 hours on type?
All we ever read in the jobs section is 500 hours on type. Who's to pay for the rating to achieve these 500 hours on type?
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...and not enough companies willing to spend money on training those who, with a little help, could become qualified.
At the US airport where I keep my private airplane, there at least 100 full time cadets learning to fly, all paid for by the respective airlines.
Get your nose in the door, and there are plenty of opportunities...IF you look hard enough.
Nationalities involved...
Indian
Dutch
Belgain
Chinese
German
Bangladesh
Viet Nam...
and several others.
There will be, in the next few years, thousands of new airline pilots that will be required...all you have to do is be from just where they will be needed.
And, let us not forget the USA.
Hundreds of senior Captains will be retiring in the next two years alone, so...in actual fact, the future is rather bright for new entrant airline pilots.
And no, I'm not kidding.
This upcoming situation reminds me of the mid-1960's, when hundreds of new entrant pilots were hired by US major airlines.
In addition, for experienced Captains, lots of new positions will be (or, are now) available, for those that have specific experience in type.
Worldwide Pilot's shortage..... Myth or Fact?
Myth. There has never been, there is not now, and there will never be, a shortage of star struck wannabe's looking for their first job.
Myth. There has never been, there is not now, and there will never be, a shortage of star struck wannabe's looking for their first job.
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It`s not a myth. It`s a fact , but only for those crap companies which pay such an ofensive salary to their pilots. Sometimes in crap places.
Ar asia is one of those school jobs. People go there to get their 500 hrs as a F/O or their move to LHS and leave.
Indeed some leave without saying a word.
The same happens in India. Another crap place , with crap contracts and most of them crap companies. Of course they are short of pilots .
There are places in the world that people has to be pais not only to fly , but also to go and stay there.
The very good contracts keep people and they only recruit more when more airplanes are about to come.
So, stop paying peanuts and you`ll see you`ll have pilots.And keep them.
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Ar asia is one of those school jobs. People go there to get their 500 hrs as a F/O or their move to LHS and leave.
Indeed some leave without saying a word.
The same happens in India. Another crap place , with crap contracts and most of them crap companies. Of course they are short of pilots .
There are places in the world that people has to be pais not only to fly , but also to go and stay there.
The very good contracts keep people and they only recruit more when more airplanes are about to come.
So, stop paying peanuts and you`ll see you`ll have pilots.And keep them.
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411A and A-3twenty: true!
Fact: there is a pilot shortage mostly for experienced captains on type:
A320, A330, 737, and some regionals...But , as said, the shortage is for airlines offering crap contracts...
There is no shortage of FOs fresh from the school with 250hrs total. But the airlines are really hiring again, the jobs will be for the ones looking hard.
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Fact: there is a pilot shortage mostly for experienced captains on type:
A320, A330, 737, and some regionals...But , as said, the shortage is for airlines offering crap contracts...
There is no shortage of FOs fresh from the school with 250hrs total. But the airlines are really hiring again, the jobs will be for the ones looking hard.
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I`d say both myth and fact, but for those straight out of school thinking there is a good chance of landing a descent flying job - sorry folks, you`ve been fed lies. 
Welcome to the wonderful world of aviation. Backstabbers around every corner. 
Those companies who treat their employees like less than dirt, will always be looking for new logs for their fire. Their conditions for employment will always give you an indication of how things are. No real screening? BS interview? P2F? SSTR? No pension scheme? No insurances? Work your @$$ off for sqwat? But hey, you got some flying hours, right?
Those companies who offer better than average compensation packages, however, do not recruit so often. Why is that? Could it be because the pilots are treated well? Could it be because they have a sensible union who have a continuous dialogue with management? Could it be because these airlines are where you want to grow old and retire from because they have the right longterm package? You`ll get the flying hours there also, albeit you`ll most likely spend some more time aquiring the same amount of hours. But step back and look at what`s really important here... The flying hours aren`t as important as you may think, at least when you have been employed by a good company. Currency is important, of course, and maybe even time to command and such, but not hours on type to move on to another employer or 6 month shady contract. These companies normally spend a good amount of time and money during pilot screening. They make an effort on getting the right profile for their operation, as it gives some foresight. We`re talking pyschotesting, panel interviews, sim-checks, tech quizes and so on. They also will put you through training on type and company structure and operations. There is also a good amount of line instruction and standardisation. And you get paid for all these good tings.
The choice, if you have one, isn`t really that difficult. Unfortunately, not very many have this choice, and the worse airlines know this and act more like predators.
It`s supply and demand, and as always. the supply of pilots by far outweighs the demand. This is what the flightschools and FTOs aren`t telling you.
Welcome to the wonderful world of aviation. Backstabbers around every corner. Those companies who treat their employees like less than dirt, will always be looking for new logs for their fire. Their conditions for employment will always give you an indication of how things are. No real screening? BS interview? P2F? SSTR? No pension scheme? No insurances? Work your @$$ off for sqwat? But hey, you got some flying hours, right?
Those companies who offer better than average compensation packages, however, do not recruit so often. Why is that? Could it be because the pilots are treated well? Could it be because they have a sensible union who have a continuous dialogue with management? Could it be because these airlines are where you want to grow old and retire from because they have the right longterm package? You`ll get the flying hours there also, albeit you`ll most likely spend some more time aquiring the same amount of hours. But step back and look at what`s really important here... The flying hours aren`t as important as you may think, at least when you have been employed by a good company. Currency is important, of course, and maybe even time to command and such, but not hours on type to move on to another employer or 6 month shady contract. These companies normally spend a good amount of time and money during pilot screening. They make an effort on getting the right profile for their operation, as it gives some foresight. We`re talking pyschotesting, panel interviews, sim-checks, tech quizes and so on. They also will put you through training on type and company structure and operations. There is also a good amount of line instruction and standardisation. And you get paid for all these good tings.
The choice, if you have one, isn`t really that difficult. Unfortunately, not very many have this choice, and the worse airlines know this and act more like predators.
It`s supply and demand, and as always. the supply of pilots by far outweighs the demand. This is what the flightschools and FTOs aren`t telling you.
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Watching BBC news talking to BALPA rep. and the Pilot Shortage came up.
Announcer expressing incredulity that there could be a shortage of applicants for a job that "pays £150,000 for ONLY 18 hours a week"
Usually this type of rubbish is trotted out when negotiations start to wax warm. Along with, "unreasonable demands", "prima donnas", "overpaid bus drivers".
Would somebody (BALPA?) please start an education program so that the public understands the difference between flying hours and duty hours, and other assorted types of "committed hours" that flight crew work, as opposed to 18 hours "stick time" a week.
Announcer expressing incredulity that there could be a shortage of applicants for a job that "pays £150,000 for ONLY 18 hours a week"
Usually this type of rubbish is trotted out when negotiations start to wax warm. Along with, "unreasonable demands", "prima donnas", "overpaid bus drivers".
Would somebody (BALPA?) please start an education program so that the public understands the difference between flying hours and duty hours, and other assorted types of "committed hours" that flight crew work, as opposed to 18 hours "stick time" a week.
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There will never be a shortage of Cadet FO's, that is for sure.
The main issue is Commanders. In my company we are all flying nearly 100hrs per month and still they keep calling us to work in off days.
The main issue is Commanders. In my company we are all flying nearly 100hrs per month and still they keep calling us to work in off days.