Virgin recruiting soon...
It's understandable companies wish to reduce costs and employ Rated pilots but, as has been stated, it doesn't mean you get the best or most suitable pilots. As long as you read up on the HR babble i.e. 'how did you influence a Captains decision' etc most can get through an interview. Companies, including Virgin, are missing out on good short haul or highly trained fast jet pilots.
To get into long haul you must have some sort of history; in the old days a couple of high recommendations would get you an interview (conversely if you weren't rated, and i don't mean type, then a 'Dear John' letter appeared).
Good luck to all those trying to climb the ladder.
To get into long haul you must have some sort of history; in the old days a couple of high recommendations would get you an interview (conversely if you weren't rated, and i don't mean type, then a 'Dear John' letter appeared).
Good luck to all those trying to climb the ladder.
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Well that's a it silly X-ray one isn't it ?
Missing out on good short haul or highly trained fast jet pilots ?
Because of course, pilots that have the correct type rating and 1000s of hrs doing similar long haul routes, and in many cases their management pilots have actually flown with before.......that would be crazy....
Missing out on good short haul or highly trained fast jet pilots ?
Because of course, pilots that have the correct type rating and 1000s of hrs doing similar long haul routes, and in many cases their management pilots have actually flown with before.......that would be crazy....
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your first sentence doesn't read well...but i think i get the gist. I think that you could pick a fight with your own shadow?!
All I was saying is that some excellent pilots are being missed by not having the required rating; and i'm sure the majority being successful, with the said rating, are good guys - but some average cases will get in and wouldn't if they didn't have the required rating...
your first sentence doesn't read well...but i think i get the gist. I think that you could pick a fight with your own shadow?!
All I was saying is that some excellent pilots are being missed by not having the required rating; and i'm sure the majority being successful, with the said rating, are good guys - but some average cases will get in and wouldn't if they didn't have the required rating...
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I did the online bits and CV etc. It was the personal statement I gave up on as I like to put a lot of work into them and as my grammar is not great (pointed out by another helpful chap on here) I have to out source checking that with the missis. She's busy a lot lately so that slowed it down... Then planning for the interview should it come is something I like to be well on with by application time in case it comes quick........ Hence I saved the time and effort... Yes maybe I have given up on VS... I don't really want to give up my command these days. They are the only people I would consider it for but the move to LHR or LGW does not appeal. They used to have a dedicated MAN crew and that was what I wanted back in the day. As far as I am aware thats no longer an option.
Best of luck to all who apply though.
I did the online bits and CV etc. It was the personal statement I gave up on as I like to put a lot of work into them and as my grammar is not great (pointed out by another helpful chap on here) I have to out source checking that with the missis. She's busy a lot lately so that slowed it down... Then planning for the interview should it come is something I like to be well on with by application time in case it comes quick........ Hence I saved the time and effort... Yes maybe I have given up on VS... I don't really want to give up my command these days. They are the only people I would consider it for but the move to LHR or LGW does not appeal. They used to have a dedicated MAN crew and that was what I wanted back in the day. As far as I am aware thats no longer an option.
Best of luck to all who apply though.
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X-ray,
Sorry about the iPad it goes off at a tangent sometimes.
What I'm trying to say is your post is an oxymoron.
You don't just get in because you have the rating.
I'll say it again, virgin senior pilots have flown with a lot of those they are selecting. They are the best, ideal for the job...rated,current,selected.
Can you grasp this ? Why would a pilot without any of these attributes be better . Are they looking for ex - red arrows ? I think they have enough of those anyway.
Sorry about the iPad it goes off at a tangent sometimes.
What I'm trying to say is your post is an oxymoron.
You don't just get in because you have the rating.
I'll say it again, virgin senior pilots have flown with a lot of those they are selecting. They are the best, ideal for the job...rated,current,selected.
Can you grasp this ? Why would a pilot without any of these attributes be better . Are they looking for ex - red arrows ? I think they have enough of those anyway.
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Virgin set to announce order for 12 A350-1000s
Good news for Airbus drivers who are interested in Virgin over the next few years on top of the existing A330s:
Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. is set to announce a deal for 12 Airbus Group SE A350-1000 jets with a list price of $4.3 billion as Richard Branson’s flagship carrier renews its wide-body leisure fleet, according to people with knowledge of the plan.
U.K.-based Virgin will probably buy nine of the twin-engine planes directly from Airbus and take three from leasing firms, said the people, who asked not to be named because negotiations are private.
Virgin Atlantic has said it’s evaluating both the A350 and Boeing Co.’s 777 to replace the four-engine Boeing 747s jumbos that form the heart of its long-haul leisure operations at London Gatwick airport with more fuel-efficient jets. The company said Tuesday that the process remains ongoing and that it will make an announcement once a decision is taken. Airbus declined to comment.
The carrier returned to profit in 2014, bolstered by a partnership with 49 percent shareholder Delta Air Lines Inc. that’s seen it refocus on trans-Atlantic routes after years of global expansion. The U.S. operator in November ordered 25 A350-900s worth $7.4 billion to replace some of its own 747s.
Virgin Atlantic wants to take new jets from late 2018 or early 2019, Erik Varwijk, its executive vice president, commercial, said in November. While Airbus began A350 deliveries in 2014, the -1000 model isn’t due until 2017. Varwijk said the 777 was also in the running, most likely the current version, since an upgraded 777X model won’t be available until 2020. Virgin is eliminating other four-engine planes to trim costs, ceasing operations with Airbus’s A340-300 last year and working on an exit plan for the A340-600. The last 747s based at its London Heathrow hub will exit the fleet this month.
The carrier has outstanding orders for Boeing’s 787-9 Dreamliner, with eight delivered, and remains on Airbus’s customer list for the A380 superjumbo, though it has deferred delivery of six planes ordered until 2018 at the earliest.
Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. is set to announce a deal for 12 Airbus Group SE A350-1000 jets with a list price of $4.3 billion as Richard Branson’s flagship carrier renews its wide-body leisure fleet, according to people with knowledge of the plan.
U.K.-based Virgin will probably buy nine of the twin-engine planes directly from Airbus and take three from leasing firms, said the people, who asked not to be named because negotiations are private.
Virgin Atlantic has said it’s evaluating both the A350 and Boeing Co.’s 777 to replace the four-engine Boeing 747s jumbos that form the heart of its long-haul leisure operations at London Gatwick airport with more fuel-efficient jets. The company said Tuesday that the process remains ongoing and that it will make an announcement once a decision is taken. Airbus declined to comment.
The carrier returned to profit in 2014, bolstered by a partnership with 49 percent shareholder Delta Air Lines Inc. that’s seen it refocus on trans-Atlantic routes after years of global expansion. The U.S. operator in November ordered 25 A350-900s worth $7.4 billion to replace some of its own 747s.
Virgin Atlantic wants to take new jets from late 2018 or early 2019, Erik Varwijk, its executive vice president, commercial, said in November. While Airbus began A350 deliveries in 2014, the -1000 model isn’t due until 2017. Varwijk said the 777 was also in the running, most likely the current version, since an upgraded 777X model won’t be available until 2020. Virgin is eliminating other four-engine planes to trim costs, ceasing operations with Airbus’s A340-300 last year and working on an exit plan for the A340-600. The last 747s based at its London Heathrow hub will exit the fleet this month.
The carrier has outstanding orders for Boeing’s 787-9 Dreamliner, with eight delivered, and remains on Airbus’s customer list for the A380 superjumbo, though it has deferred delivery of six planes ordered until 2018 at the earliest.
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What are they doing, one mins they advertise last Nov, then Jan and now Feb, are they actually interviewing?
Seems not very organised in my thoughts but in fairness I have no idea about recruitment so I guess they must have their reasons
Seems not very organised in my thoughts but in fairness I have no idea about recruitment so I guess they must have their reasons
I got an email from Virgin a month ago- saying they are holding my details on file.
With 6000 hours on the NG - I could have been 787 type rated by now. They can't be THAT desperate yet, as saving money trying to find type rated guys is still clearly their priority over getting experienced guys albeit non rated in.
With 6000 hours on the NG - I could have been 787 type rated by now. They can't be THAT desperate yet, as saving money trying to find type rated guys is still clearly their priority over getting experienced guys albeit non rated in.
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VJW are you rated on the 787?
The reason vs are going for rated guys is because of the reduced training time to convert them to vs op procedures. A non rated pilot wouldn't go direct to the 787 unless there was a time saving to be had, such as 777 rated. Virgin have a long list of guys waiting for 787 ratings, one reason vs have direct entry 787 is to reduce time to line which will free up trainers for other raiting courses etc.
If you are 73 rated I imagine you would join on the 330 or 400.
Best of luck.
The reason vs are going for rated guys is because of the reduced training time to convert them to vs op procedures. A non rated pilot wouldn't go direct to the 787 unless there was a time saving to be had, such as 777 rated. Virgin have a long list of guys waiting for 787 ratings, one reason vs have direct entry 787 is to reduce time to line which will free up trainers for other raiting courses etc.
If you are 73 rated I imagine you would join on the 330 or 400.
Best of luck.
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It's all very well meeting all the other standards etc etc but the recruitment right now is for 787 rated people. At the same time the company are still using all their training capacity converting existing VAA employees. People who look like good prospects but aren't 787 rated will be kept on file (or pool) to meet expected shortfalls on other types later in the year.
Given that there is an internal waiting list, they're not going to bother recruiting new non-rated people to jump the queue.
Given that there is an internal waiting list, they're not going to bother recruiting new non-rated people to jump the queue.
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Some authorities are giving 787 on the licence at the same time as the 777.
So, if you fly a 777 and have a 787 on your licence does that preclude you from beng recruited?
What is the conversion process anyone?
They are not exactly completely different are they?
So, if you fly a 777 and have a 787 on your licence does that preclude you from beng recruited?
What is the conversion process anyone?
They are not exactly completely different are they?
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If only they had a pool of pilots who meet the Virgin standard. Oh, wait...
Well if
- it floats you're boat &
- you have a 787 rating &
- you think you will meet the standard
have a pop !!!