Virgin recruiting soon...
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Year 1 F/O starts on £74000 and rises through 16 increments to £101000
Year 1 Capt starts on £121000 and rises through 14 increments to £163000
Plus extra working/overtime/day off payments etc for those that way inclined
Might be wrong but think current deal runs until Autumn 2019
Year 1 F/O starts on £74000 and rises through 16 increments to £101000
Year 1 Capt starts on £121000 and rises through 14 increments to £163000
Plus extra working/overtime/day off payments etc for those that way inclined
Might be wrong but think current deal runs until Autumn 2019
Any idea of the rates for sector/duty/per diems? Trying to work out if it's worth applying/moving to VS to scratch the long haul itch if successful or staying put and moving seats with my current mob, but spending the rest of my career flying buckets and spades to the med.
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That’s it I’m afraid unless you elect to work extra - apart from subsistence allowances which i’d guess average around $1000 per month on my fleet.
All spent downroute of course Mr Tax Man.....
All spent downroute of course Mr Tax Man.....
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My application is in , now the long wait !!
Im not expecting much as I heard that every time they open up recruitment they receive thousands of applications literally within a few days !!
I quite like the fact VS just slips along with it’s head below the radar , and is arguably the best gig to work for in the UK (for LH)
Im not expecting much as I heard that every time they open up recruitment they receive thousands of applications literally within a few days !!
I quite like the fact VS just slips along with it’s head below the radar , and is arguably the best gig to work for in the UK (for LH)
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Riskybis indeed..... not looking too pretty at VA following the Benefits Review.
The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".
The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".
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Riskybis indeed..... not looking too pretty at VA following the Benefits Review.
The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".
The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".
benefits are still pretty good
the main thing is the 750hrs a year , that is an absolute must and cannot go!!
Definetly one of the big points of me applying
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Riskybis indeed..... not looking too pretty at VA following the Benefits Review.
The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".
The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".
Thanks.
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I believe it’s a reduced pension for new joiners , it stays at 15% for guys already in . But for new pilots it will be 10%
Also income protection is now capped at 5 years , not sure what it was tbh.
Also income protection is now capped at 5 years , not sure what it was tbh.
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That would be very interesting... even BA racing to the bottom still offer 15% company contribution. Albeit you’ll work harder and fly more
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Surely the current pilots and unions will threaten to strike if Virgin try destroying the terms and conditions for future generations....... Oh no of course they won’t, the “I’m alright jack” mentality strikes again. Caution to Virgin pilots that attitude has destroyed BA and BALPA, a divided workforce will put all the power in the hands of the company, do all you can to avoid this, in the end they will get you too!
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Surely the current pilots and unions will threaten to strike if Virgin try destroying the terms and conditions for future generations....... Oh no of course they won’t, the “I’m alright jack” mentality strikes again. Caution to Virgin pilots that attitude has destroyed BA and BALPA, a divided workforce will put all the power in the hands of the company, do all you can to avoid this, in the end they will get you too!
even with the profits we make at BA we will still get screwed !
I have heard that Virgin won’t make a profit this year (but that’s usually the case I hear as tax is nobody’s friend) and that’s what they want there employees to think to reduce terms ?? Anyone reflect on this
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Surely the current pilots and unions will threaten to strike if Virgin try destroying the terms and conditions for future generations....... Oh no of course they won’t, the “I’m alright jack” mentality strikes again. Caution to Virgin pilots that attitude has destroyed BA and BALPA, a divided workforce will put all the power in the hands of the company, do all you can to avoid this, in the end they will get you too!
The firm in new negotiation tell the B scalers a few “bad truths” about how the A scalers are willing to sell them out and then it’s a down vote for the A’s in return for a mediocre improvement for the Bs. The chickens come home to roost. And in years to come the whole process repeats with pay and pensions onto C scales.
Terms being stepped down like that is the oldest trick in the industrial handbook. Once you’ve divided yourselves, you’re at risk. Don’t fall for the temptation.
I see the same thing I left behind now playing out at BA. The cogs in motion.
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Future of Virgin
Can anyone clarify the pension rumours?
If its anything like my employer, they try and take take take even when making record profits. How has it been at virgin? Do they use losses as an excuse to attack pilot t&c’s every year (especially now with invested interest from delta, Air France/KLM)?
Does anyone have any ideas on the long term game plan for the airline? Delta has 49%, Air France-KLM to have 31%, so with delta having 10% of Air France-KLM, technically Delta have a majority? I could be confusing it in my head though.. Any talk of what their long term game plan is? Will it purely be transatlantic stuff with time?
Branson’s letter to his employees says he’s ‘agreed with our partners how important it is the Virgin Atlantic brand lives on’ but there’s nothing definitively saying they can’t stop that being the case. I look at how Alaska bought out Virgin America and collapsed the brand and it worries me (different business model I suppose you could argue).
Fot the record I’ve always wanted to work for virgin, but some clarity on its future/plans for changes to its structure & working conditions would be really useful if there’s any talk out there?
Also so feel free to correct my doubts above!!
If its anything like my employer, they try and take take take even when making record profits. How has it been at virgin? Do they use losses as an excuse to attack pilot t&c’s every year (especially now with invested interest from delta, Air France/KLM)?
Does anyone have any ideas on the long term game plan for the airline? Delta has 49%, Air France-KLM to have 31%, so with delta having 10% of Air France-KLM, technically Delta have a majority? I could be confusing it in my head though.. Any talk of what their long term game plan is? Will it purely be transatlantic stuff with time?
Branson’s letter to his employees says he’s ‘agreed with our partners how important it is the Virgin Atlantic brand lives on’ but there’s nothing definitively saying they can’t stop that being the case. I look at how Alaska bought out Virgin America and collapsed the brand and it worries me (different business model I suppose you could argue).
Fot the record I’ve always wanted to work for virgin, but some clarity on its future/plans for changes to its structure & working conditions would be really useful if there’s any talk out there?
Also so feel free to correct my doubts above!!
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Well put flightpattern. I wouldn't mind some clarification from the inside too, if anyone can shed some light on things. Has this Benefit Review chipped away at anything else. Or is just the drop from 15% to 10% pension for new entrants? I hope it's just rumours but wouldn't be surprised in this climate unfortunately.
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I have a few mates from within , and they say they have never felt more secure . Is Delta at the helm really an issue ? Pretty sure they are the largest and most profitable airline in the world?
Supposedly there is word of an expansion to be announced also .
im also very keen to join as I have mentioned before in this forum , although the pension change now makes it worse than my current Pension ......
Supposedly there is word of an expansion to be announced also .
im also very keen to join as I have mentioned before in this forum , although the pension change now makes it worse than my current Pension ......
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What are the expansion rumours? Sounds interesting.. Do the known fleet orders/planned retirements match upto it?
I agree that Delta is most likely a force for good, and without it who knows where they could be.. That said, being the most profitable airline in the world, I’m sure they would like virgin to be profitable too? This is a time when all the big airlines are making making money with the same market conditions. Possibly a profitable to make a loss kind of situation of course.
I agree that Delta is most likely a force for good, and without it who knows where they could be.. That said, being the most profitable airline in the world, I’m sure they would like virgin to be profitable too? This is a time when all the big airlines are making making money with the same market conditions. Possibly a profitable to make a loss kind of situation of course.
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What are the expansion rumours? Sounds interesting.. Do the known fleet orders/planned retirements match upto it?
I agree that Delta is most likely a force for good, and without it who knows where they could be.. That said, being the most profitable airline in the world, I’m sure they would like virgin to be profitable too? This is a time when all the big airlines are making making money with the same market conditions. Possibly a profitable to make a loss kind of situation of course.
I agree that Delta is most likely a force for good, and without it who knows where they could be.. That said, being the most profitable airline in the world, I’m sure they would like virgin to be profitable too? This is a time when all the big airlines are making making money with the same market conditions. Possibly a profitable to make a loss kind of situation of course.
No doubt Virgin wouldn’t be the same as it is without Delta , if anything at all ....
could someone from Virgin clarify this ?
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I think the '4 engines 4 long haul' rhetoric is a little outdated now, so I'm guessing the 747's and A340's are going to be retired and theres what, 14 of them? It would be great if there was some expansion though..
Apparently a lot of retirements to come so potentially lot's of movement. I heard 1/3rd of the workforce to be replaced in the next 5 years or so? Seems like a drastic figure, perhaps the avg age at the top of the seniority is going to cause a bulk of retirements then..
I have also heard from a source in virgin that new joiners pensions are to be cut to 10% among other wider cuts which would be a real shame. Hopefully the union(s) don't allow it for the sake of the people joining after them.
Apparently a lot of retirements to come so potentially lot's of movement. I heard 1/3rd of the workforce to be replaced in the next 5 years or so? Seems like a drastic figure, perhaps the avg age at the top of the seniority is going to cause a bulk of retirements then..
I have also heard from a source in virgin that new joiners pensions are to be cut to 10% among other wider cuts which would be a real shame. Hopefully the union(s) don't allow it for the sake of the people joining after them.
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Risky Bis
Year 1 F/O starts on £74000 and rises through 16 increments to £101000
Year 1 Capt starts on £121000 and rises through 14 increments to £163000
Plus extra working/overtime/day off payments etc for those that way inclined
Might be wrong but think current deal runs until Autumn 2019
Year 1 F/O starts on £74000 and rises through 16 increments to £101000
Year 1 Capt starts on £121000 and rises through 14 increments to £163000
Plus extra working/overtime/day off payments etc for those that way inclined
Might be wrong but think current deal runs until Autumn 2019
Y1 FO £4,244.96 a month
Y1 Capt £6,166.62 a month
Y16 FO £5,533.30 a month
So after 16 years you get a command and hey ho another 600/month. Just Saying !
Top Captain Pay, after around 25-30 years service = 8,100
Y1 China contract Capt take home £19500/ month . And rising .
UK Pay is pathetic. The airlines rely on the love of flying being paramount.
Branson's not filthy rich for being stupid . Willy Walsh has sussed it too. Offer the world. But not the pay.
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Take home Pay , assuming UK tax
Y1 FO £4,244.96 a month
Y1 Capt £6,166.62 a month
Y16 FO £5,533.30 a month
So after 16 years you get a command and hey ho another 600/month. Just Saying !
Top Captain Pay, after around 25-30 years service = 8,100
Y1 China contract Capt take home £19500/ month . And rising .
UK Pay is pathetic. The airlines rely on the love of flying being paramount.
Branson's not filthy rich for being stupid . Willy Walsh has sussed it too. Offer the world. But not the pay.
Y1 FO £4,244.96 a month
Y1 Capt £6,166.62 a month
Y16 FO £5,533.30 a month
So after 16 years you get a command and hey ho another 600/month. Just Saying !
Top Captain Pay, after around 25-30 years service = 8,100
Y1 China contract Capt take home £19500/ month . And rising .
UK Pay is pathetic. The airlines rely on the love of flying being paramount.
Branson's not filthy rich for being stupid . Willy Walsh has sussed it too. Offer the world. But not the pay.
But there is a reason for the high pay in China ......
good luck calling in fatigued
I understand the problem , it’s the same in BA also
